How to produce a bloodred cornsnake?

[alanhoo]

Hi there!

May please someone help me out. Bloodred is so beautiful. BUT ... How to produce a bloodred cornsnake? Is it genetic? What is the probability like?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Alan Hoo

 

[Nanci]

Bloodred started out as a selectively bred trait. So, to get one, you either have to buy a Bloodred, or breed two snakes that are both het for bloodred.

Nanci

 

[Susan]

Bloodred started out as a selectively bred trait. So, to get one, you either have to buy a Bloodred, or breed two snakes that are both het for bloodred.

Nanci

Don't be confused with Nanci's answer. There is a simple recessive gene involved, which is called either "bloodred" or "diffuse", depending upon who you may be talking to at the moment. Many of the people that use the term "diffuse" will use the name "bloodred" to describe a selectively bred look to normal diffuse corns...those that, when adults, exhibit an almost solid blood red coloration. If you are looking for that specific look, make sure you know exactly what and how the breeder is using the terminology, or you may get a snake that carries the genes, but not the look you want.

 

[Nanci]

Yeah, what she said! I wonder what the selection of corns is like in Maylasia...

Nanci

 

[alanhoo]

Yeah, what she said! I wonder what the selection of corns is like in Maylasia...

Nanci

The breeders here in Malaysia are catching up with you guys quite fast. I got these 2 recently, Made in Malaysia.

red blood morph

butter motley morph

 

[Joejr14]

That first snake is not a blood red.

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

That first snake is not a blood red.

I agree. I have a couple of Bloods that look very Normal in coloration, not the deep red color, but they have a bunch of diffusion in the side patterns. That first snake you pictured has no diffusion whatsoever. It has a very Normal looking color with Normal looking side patterns. That is a Normal Cornsnake.
Jay

 

[wehttam]

I agree. I have a couple of Bloods that look very Normal in coloration, not the deep red color, but they have a bunch of diffusion in the side patterns. That first snake you pictured has no diffusion whatsoever. It has a very Normal looking color with Normal looking side patterns. That is a Normal Cornsnake.
Jay

Hi Jay ... any picture for side patters of diffusion ?
my friend hatched some normal & bloodred babies (bloodredXhypo), but the normal's belly was clear in central ... .. ..don't know what's their out look after growth up

http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57534

 

[alanhoo]

That is a Normal Cornsnake.
Jay

Now, I have doubt. I might be cheated. You guys could be right. Mind putting up a picture of neonate bloodred for me?

 

[Susan]

Diffused/"bloodred" (color is too brown on this hatchling, hopefully due to being het caramel) Her side diffusion isn't the best either.

Belly of above. Notice almost completely white belly with only the odd small spot.

Caramel sibling. Notice the pattern on the side.

Belly of caramel. Notice the white line between the belly checks. This is a common finding in het bloodred hatchlings, many having the checks even further apart.

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Diffused/"bloodred" (color is too brown on this hatchling, hopefully due to being het caramel) Her side diffusion isn't the best either.

She is on the brown side but she does have diffused sides. You say it may not be the best but still it is diffused. (I like her )

Belly of caramel. Notice the white line between the belly checks. This is a common finding in het bloodred hatchlings, many having the checks even further apart.

This is where I tend to believe that Bloodred/Diffused is a co-dominant trait in some instances. It seems to have the most effect on single recessive morphs (Normal, Amel, Anery, Caramel, Charcoal....etc). I only feel it becomes co-dom with single recessives as I am yet to see "het bloodred" influences on a double homozygous animal (Snow, Butter, Ghost....etc.). I think trait "markers" are like what Caramel does to some snakes, shows and has a more overall yellow hue but Bloodred/Diffused influences just seem to be more then "markers" to me. There is just to much indication that it is there for it to be "markers". In the second snake you posted the head pattern is rather spread out and messy and the side pattern is slightly diffused. The belly just speaks for itself, how can you remove patterning on belly checks like that if Bloodred/Diffused wasn't present as a co-dom trait?
Jay

 

[diamondlil]

She is on the brown side but she does have diffused sides. You say it may not be the best but still it is diffused. (I like her )


This is where I tend to believe that Bloodred/Diffused is a co-dominant trait in some instances. It seems to have the most effect on single recessive morphs (Normal, Amel, Anery, Caramel, Charcoal....etc). I only feel it becomes co-dom with single recessives as I am yet to see "het bloodred" influences on a double homozygous animal (Snow, Butter, Ghost....etc.). I think trait "markers" are like what Caramel does to some snakes, shows and has a more overall yellow hue but Bloodred/Diffused influences just seem to be more then "markers" to me. There is just to much indication that it is there for it to be "markers". In the second snake you posted the head pattern is rather spread out and messy and the side pattern is slightly diffused. The belly just speaks for itself, how can you remove patterning on belly checks like that if Bloodred/Diffused wasn't present as a co-dom trait?
Jay

I have to show you this snake then Jay This is my ghost ph blood from Lexcorns (related to her lovely ghostblood clutch)

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Very cool snake Janine. That is the first time that I have seen "het markers" in a double homozygous Cornsnake. By the look of that ones belly I would say it is more then p/het. What does the head pattern look like? It think there is way too much of a reduction in belly pattern for it not to be a co-dominate trait.
Jay

 

[diamondlil]

He's my Lexcorn boy, Bonanza
http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55001&highlight=bonanza
He's related to her coral avalanches!

 

[lim1990]

I've seen the corn snake in the picture posted by alanhoo in person. It exhibits all the traits of a normal corn but it has a clear belly with hints of the checker pattern like the one posted by Janine. Is it possible to be het for diffuse? Alanhoo will be posting pics of it soon.

 

[toyah]

I only feel it becomes co-dom with single recessives as I am yet to see "het bloodred" influences on a double homozygous animal (Snow, Butter, Ghost....etc.)

I have a coral snow (so triple recessive) ph blood who shows strong blood markers - odd head pattern, very divided belly pattern

 

[alanhoo]

I've seen the corn snake in the picture posted by alanhoo in person. It exhibits all the traits of a normal corn but it has a clear belly with hints of the checker pattern like the one posted by Janine. Is it possible to be het for diffuse? Alanhoo will be posting pics of it soon.

Yes, this snake does not have a normal altenating checkers, instead it has a divided checkers, some on the left, some on the right, and none in the centre.

Now, the seller claimed that it is a het. Finally admitted that the snake I got is not the one in the picture.

 

[Susan]

Now, the seller claimed that it is a het. Finally admitted that the snake I got is not the one in the picture.

Wonder what the penalty is for false advertising in Malaysia...

 

[alanhoo]

Wonder what the penalty is for false advertising in Malaysia...

I do not know, good to check that out.

If in America, what can you do about it?, Susan.

BTW, this is the picture of the snake I supposed to receive.

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

If in America, what can you do about it?, Susan.

Here we put a blindfold over their eyes, offer them a cigarette and place them against the wall to face the firing squad. :fullauto:
Jay