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Hypo Ashy Corns

Let's refrain from ANY national bigotry from anyone, please. There is NO perfect country on this planet. If there were, we would ALL be relocating there ASAP. There are enough problems in this world without anyone beating on their chest proclaiming that THEIR country is better than YOUR country.
 
Rich Z said:
Let's refrain from ANY national bigotry from anyone, please. There is NO perfect country on this planet. If there were, we would ALL be relocating there ASAP. There are enough problems in this world without anyone beating on their chest proclaiming that THEIR country is better than YOUR country.
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Well said there Rich. Nice looking snakes btw.
 
I have to admit, I don't like the name "Ashy" as much as I like "Cinder"... but I could be convinced by "Ashen". Not least because "Ashys" as a plural doesn't really work, but "Ashens" does.

That said, distinguishing between the two variants - the higher-saddle-count Cinders and the originator's Ash* ones... that logic makes a lot of sense.
 
Ssthisto said:
I have to admit, I don't like the name "Ashy" as much as I like "Cinder"... but I could be convinced by "Ashen". Not least because "Ashys" as a plural doesn't really work, but "Ashens" does.

That said, distinguishing between the two variants - the higher-saddle-count Cinders and the originator's Ash* ones... that logic makes a lot of sense.
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Except very few Cinders have high saddle count. :headbang:
 
carol said:
Except very few Cinders have high saddle count. :headbang:
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Good point, Carol, and my apologies. I deserve a hard :poke: for that.

SOME Cinders have higher saddle counts and the shadow of 'it might be a hybrid' on them, even if they originate from high-saddle-count lines which are, as far as anyone knows, pure corn. Even if the majority don't and are just pretty normal in terms of morphology, it's the memorable cases that stick in people's heads! Sort of like you don't get news stories saying "nothing special happened today, everyone just went about their business" :)

I still like "Ashen" better than "Ashy". And "Cinder" personally better than both... though Ashen might well describe the hypos, depending on how they grow up....
 
carol said:
Except very few Cinders have high saddle count. :headbang:
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.....and apparently only ones from your line have it. I think Rich's idea of "differentiating" the lines makes sense. ...a lot of sense, actually.

Since you don't see high blotch counts like that in Don's Miami lines, I think there is MORE to what's going on than the obvious answer. I have seen some REALLY frosted Miami's from Don (and other people's lines), though. As an albino, those frosted animals might look like they have double the number of blotches. Think this COULD be what you are seeing in your Type C aner morphs: heavily "frosted" snakes that LOOK like they have twice the number of blotches?

Whether frosted corns are all pure, all hybrids, or a mixture of pure and hybrids is another argument that I don't care to involve myself with at this time, though. That is more up for debate than the Type C or Ultramel question.....lol!
 
Ya but the problem is, they aren't "frosted" at all, there is no weakening of color in the middle of the saddles. I have no problem with there being a dividing line, but I just don't like people saying all Cinders have high saddle count just because I hatched a few that do. I've hatched over 150 animals from these lines over the years and have come up with 5 high count animals. I just happened to like it and saved them back to be tested, especially since they are also Cinders. I don't get the high counts in normals, nor most the Cinders.
Separate yourself for a minute and think about the logic....
If you hatched 150 Amels from the same lines and 5 of them had a certian "different look", would that be enough for your animals to need to be marked as something different?
Honestly, I like the different pattern and would love to start a line with a proven heritable trait like that. I really do hope it's something I can reproduce again. In the meantime, I think it's silly that people are for separating a line because it has 5 odd balls out of over 150. If you look that hard you'll find a reason to suspect hybrid in anything.
 
carol said:
If you hatched 150 Amels from the same lines and 5 of them had a certian "different look", would that be enough for your animals to need to be marked as something different?
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Only if I get to name them whatever I want. :grin01:

That's my time, I'm outta here.... :sidestep:

regards,
jazz
 
Only 5 out of 150? Didn't you say in an earlier post that you were getting number in a "simple recessive" ratio? Can you clarify?

I don't think Rich is saying "hybrids" any more than I am saying they ARE hybrids. I believe he is saying DIFFERENT. 5/150 as compared to 0/"a LOT more than 150" is different, don't you think?

If you don't think the difference is warranted, you can always start calling yours ashy corns. :laugh: :laugh:

(Seriously, I like "ash" a lot better than ashy. For those of us that have never seen a live ashy gecko, Rich's name is lost on us. I guess that's part of the reason the name doesn't strike a chord of love in my soul....that and it makes me think of all thekids that put "y" on the end of everythingto try to sound cute and ignorant. I'll still call them Type C or Ashy, though!)


carol said:
Ya but the problem is, they aren't "frosted" at all, there is no weakening of color in the middle of the saddles. I have no problem with there being a dividing line, but I just don't like people saying all Cinders have high saddle count just because I hatched a few that do. I've hatched over 150 animals from these lines over the years and have come up with 5 high count animals. I just happened to like it and saved them back to be tested, especially since they are also Cinders. I don't get the high counts in normals, nor most the Cinders.
Separate yourself for a minute and think about the logic....
If you hatched 150 Amels from the same lines and 5 of them had a certian "different look", would that be enough for your animals to need to be marked as something different?
Honestly, I like the different pattern and would love to start a line with a proven heritable trait like that. I really do hope it's something I can reproduce again. In the meantime, I think it's silly that people are for separating a line because it has 5 odd balls out of over 150. If you look that hard you'll find a reason to suspect hybrid in anything.
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I agree, I don't believe Rich is crying Hybrid either. I'm just stating that a lot of people are making broad genralizations without the facts. Heck, if you reverse things and I was claiming to have something worthy of it's own name because of 5 out of 150 animals, I'd be laughed at. People would say it's rediculous to name a line after just a few odd balls. Now the tables are turned and the very reasoning that would be lauged at if I suggested it, is being thrown on me. I guess I can only please people that are interested in facts and not banter, which is ok because those people make better customers anyway. There is just no winning with nay sayers. :blowhead:

My numbers show that it *may* be simple recessive but I need to test that more and with my male carrier having fertility probs the last two years it's been difficult. I also think there is something else going on since it only pops up in homo Cinder animals. Like I said before, I only get the high counts when I breed certain pairings and even when I pair them correctly only about 1 in 4 Cinders from those clutches have a high count. I got a ton of offspring from my high count Cinder males this year so my customers and I will have a lot more data in a couple of years. I crossed them into Lava, Bloodred, Amel Stripe, Amel Motley... It should be fun. ;)
 
KJUN said:
(Seriously, I like "ash" a lot better than ashy. For those of us that have never seen a live ashy gecko, Rich's name is lost on us. I guess that's part of the reason the name doesn't strike a chord of love in my soul....that and it makes me think of all thekids that put "y" on the end of everythingto try to sound cute and ignorant. I'll still call them Type C or Ashy, though!)
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Well how about some pics then? I remember the ones I saw being more of the grayish variety, but interesting that the Ashy Geckos seem to have the same color variability of this particular corn snake line....

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cornmorphs said:
Rich, did you ever get any post shed pics of these?
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Yeah..... somewhere. Either still on the camera or loaded on my hard drive. Been REAL tied up with server issues PLUS the usual flood of baby snakes. So hunting down pictures is really far down on the priority list right now, I am afraid.
 
Any progression Pictures??

PLEASE:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 
Only one survived. The other one just wasn't interested in feeding.

Not much chance of me finding some spare time laying around to take photos, unfortunately.....
 
TripleMoonsExotic said:
Peppermint brings to mind blue/green, really? That's certainly interesting. In my area of the US it's red/white...Like Candycanes and as Nanci said, Peppermint Icecream (mmmmm, now I want some of that!). Mint or Spearmint brings up blue/green in my mind though.

I do think that Ember makes more sense then Cinder, but there is the problem with Ember/Amber of course that stinks.
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through out all of my 45 years of life on this earth all the candy canes that I seen are Peppermint flavored 90 % of those are red and white every once and awhile they have a greenstripe with the red and white . Im not sure if I ever seen a green and white candy cane with out the red. That is why the call the candy cane corn that name because the best are red and white. I think you are thinking of the color of Chewing gum. Cinder is the perfict name for the morph black like coal with the red embers glowing through the black coals
 
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