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I believe I have an Emergency-Please Help!!

CandyCorn88

CandyCorn88

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I have a baby green spot corn snake I bought at the local reptile show on September 28. I bought him and two others from a very reputable dealer and the other two are doing awesome!! The problem is Jose, my baby green spot snow. I brought them all home placed them in their individual enclosures and waited 3 days before feeding, I wasn't sure when they were fed last but supposing that they came from WI all the way to KC, MO for the show I'm sure they were fed before leaving giving them enough time to digest safely before traveling, then add the three days to get comfortable and accustomed to their new home. I fed him a small pinky and he ate get, 10/2, then I fed him again on 10/10. He accepted the pinky readily and then I put him in his enclosure about 35 minutes after he was done and left him. He regurgitated the pinky on 10/12, so after doing thorough research (internet, forums, books) I left him be for 7-10 days and tried offering a pinky head on 10/19, which he refused, didn't give it much thought, left him until 10/20 and tried again, to no avail, waited and again I tried today, nothing. I have been so worried about him, I feel like I am just sitting here watching him waste away. I couldn't take it anymore, so I called Mark Miles of Miles of Exotics, one of the very reputable breeders in our area and consulted with him. After teasing, braining, everything but force feeding since I am new to this, have never done it and was not comfortable doing it myself, I drove the hour to see Mark for help.

At the store Mark took a look at Jose and tried braining a pinky there at the store and leaving him for a hour, nothing. He was also concerned about some dark black areas on his ventral side, pics attached, he thought it could possibly be blood. His conclusion, Jose probably will not make it.

We are now at home, Jose is in his enclosure, I put the brained pinky in there with him, hoping and waiting for the worst I guess.

I believe the reason I am writing is because I would like to see if anyone knows what these dark black colored areas are? Is it really blood, feces or something else? He has never been dropped or mishandled to my knowledge.

Here is a picture, a very bad one at that, of the smallest of the black areas, but the darkest.
 

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What you're probably seeing is the internal organs, the heart, stomach, gall bladder etc, these are all very easy to see on a baby snow or other albino corn snake.
 
Oh, I feel kind of dumb, but very relieved and grateful!!! Thanks so much for your quick response!! We really appreciate it!!
 
Yep. The gall bladder is always a green spot on pale ones, but that looks REALLY dark. They turn almost black if you ever see one that has died. I wouldn't freak, but I'd try to scent a head if I were you. Got access to some lizard shed?
 
I agree with the others about the black spot.

Sometimes you may have to leave the brained pink in with the snake overnight to get the snake to eat. If you are using a feeding container, just make sure it is secure if you leave the snake in it overnight. I always use a feeding container that will fit in the viv. That way I can feel that the snake is safe.
 
I have the brained pink in his enclosure and he has just been lying about 6 inches from it since we got home and put them in together. But I sure will leave it in there overnight and hope and pray to My God and the Snake God that he eats it up and keeps it down!!
 
CandyCorn88 said:
I have the brained pink in his enclosure and he has just been lying about 6 inches from it since we got home and put them in together. But I sure will leave it in there overnight and hope and pray to My God and the Snake God that he eats it up and keeps it down!!
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That is all you can do at this point.
 
Go to a local pet store in the next couple of days. Ask for a piece of shed from an anole, beardie, or other lizard (geckos often eat their sheds). Wash and dry a pink. Take the shed pieces in very dry hands and rub them together until it turns into power. Apply this all over the pink and present. That's worked a lot for me.
 
One of the members on here(Tula_Montage) has been dealing with a lot of non feeders. She has been using chicken scented pinks you can try that or pm her, I'm sure she can help you a bit more then I can. Good luck.
 
I will abslutely do that tomorrow morning, I can definately get some shed from one of my friends at one of the pet stores. Thanks for the advice.

As for Kathy Love's Post Reguritation Directions, I have followed them to a T, besides going to a long time corn breeder and reptile store owner tonight, in which he offered the brained pink, I thought that might be too much for Jose since his regurgitation, but trust he knows what he is doing. I am almost positive though that Jose won't eat it, and in the morning I will go to the pet store and get some lizard shed, slice and dice a pinky again, that is what my husband is here for, and scent it, and see how it goes from there. Thanks again all of you for your wonderful advice, this really is a great forum, with so many wonderful, helpful, caring and knowledgeable people like yourselves that truely care about helping others.!!! Thanks to all of you!!!
 
You can't try to many scents. I've had some weird stuff bring a feeding response.
 
May I also suggest that you don't offer feeds too frequently, if he is refusing the meal, as this can sometimes stress a baby into not eating for you. I would leave a 4 day interval between offerings, which will hopefully allow him to get a bit hungrier too. :)

Good luck and keep us posted,
 
Susielea said:
May I also suggest that you don't offer feeds too frequently, if he is refusing the meal, as this can sometimes stress a baby into not eating for you. I would leave a 4 day interval between offerings, which will hopefully allow him to get a bit hungrier too. :)

Good luck and keep us posted,
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I absolutely agree with this advice.
 
The reason I am so worried now is that I have been very patient, because I definately don't want to have a reverse reaction by offering to often, so I really need to be careful, and I know that. The thing is he hasn't eatten for almost two weeks, which doesn't sound like a lot, but he is seriously withering away, I mean he looks like a neonate now. He hardly has any energy, he is definately not as active as any of the other babies I have. Here is a picture of him. I have been watching him very carefully since I got him and even more since he regurged, I couldn't tell you how much he weighs which would probably help, but I don't have a scale. NOTE TO SELF - get one tommorrow. I'm not sure you can see his backbone exactly, but he is very skinny.
I posted 2 pictures of him on thread titled Jose - not eating.
 
I'm surprised that breeder didn't try a pinkie pump if he's that wasted away.
 
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