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I found some canablisim pics!!

They didn't come up for me except for me to know they're from Don's site. Regardless, that is a powerful way to let people know what CAN happen. I'm glad you posted this RA, and made your decision. Thumbs up!
 
It doesn't show because of the way the page is set up. If you click on the "plus" sign next to the "feeding" folder, a drop down menu of contents will appear and then you can click on the cannibal pics.
I find it interesting that 3 of the ones pictured are emoryi, unless there is a pic of the same snake twice. I wonder if they are even more prone to it.

I am sure there are many other cannibal pics out there, and if you did a search even in this site you'd find a few.

Here I have not had another snake eat another one, but I did find one latched on to its hatching sibling and I had to free it. And in another case, a hatchling of mine attacked it's sibling and although he didn't eat it, he paralized it and I had to put it down.

I have tried many ways and in the thick of hatching season and I just can't get temps correct in those little deli cups. I end up with a lot of regurges. I keep my fresh hatched corns together by clutch out of necessity, but if I could avoid it I would and I separate them as soon as space allows.
 
carol said:
I have tried many ways and in the thick of hatching season and I just can't get temps correct in those little deli cups. I end up with a lot of regurges. I keep my fresh hatched corns together by clutch out of necessity, but if I could avoid it I would and I separate them as soon as space allows.
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THAT I can understand Carol, and will be doing the same thing myself I'm sure until I get more room. It's just a chance you take. But for long term housing, I think one per enclosure is best, as do you apparently. I think RA is doing some research which is beneficial not only to him, but to other newbie owners as well. :cheers:
 
Yep, research is always great! And you're right, I am a strong advocate of housing your corns alone whenever possible. When I first got into corns, I didn't have forums and the pet store told me my male wouldn't be fertile unless I brumated him. I lost my second snake ever due to egg binding after I had housed her with a male. She was way too small to sucessfully pass a clutch.
I am so glad now that others who are willing to learn have the info of what could happen readily available to them.
 
I keep 2 vivs with 2 x 8 month old females in each just because I don't have the space and when my clutches hatch, I'd like to house them in trio's or in 4's as soon as possible after they hatch. I'm sure a little cannibalism goes on but realisticly, how can the bigger breeders house ALL of their hatchlings individually? Don't they just have to accept it happens from time to time?

Can you 'bigger' breeders please post some stats on how many hatchlings you pop out each year and how many canibalistic events have occured?

R_A, I'm not poo-pooing your post at all, I think it's important and valid but realisticly, do you need to separate all the hatchlings as soon as they emerge? Most breeders I've spoken to house the entire clutch together until they've shed and then some of them separate to feed and then they go back together, others separate t feed and keep them appart.
 
whos don? and how can i get hold of his web address? as the link isnt working for me and dont know who he is?
thanx
:)
 
Don Sodenberg (sorry, I think I spelled that wrong). And Princess, I think most of the breeders do house seperately. They just have huge rack systems. Rich posted his a while back.
 
is that his actual username meg?
as i just cant seem to find his site anywhere?
:(


edit again: ok i know his site, lol, i just didnt know his name, have found the photos now. definitely why i keep mine all seperate, and that way no little mishaps can happen, i just dont see the point in even taking the risk.
:)
thanx
 
princess said:
I keep 2 vivs with 2 x 8 month old females in each just because I don't have the space and when my clutches hatch, I'd like to house them in trio's or in 4's as soon as possible after they hatch. I'm sure a little cannibalism goes on but realisticly, how can the bigger breeders house ALL of their hatchlings individually? Don't they just have to accept it happens from time to time?

Can you 'bigger' breeders please post some stats on how many hatchlings you pop out each year and how many canibalistic events have occured?

R_A, I'm not poo-pooing your post at all, I think it's important and valid but realisticly, do you need to separate all the hatchlings as soon as they emerge? Most breeders I've spoken to house the entire clutch together until they've shed and then some of them separate to feed and then they go back together, others separate t feed and keep them appart.
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I wouldn't keep them together after the first shed at all. I would take them and put them in deli cups with a small water dish until they have fed about 3 or 5 times. I have seen canablism at the pet store and it made me mad. They were keeping them in a 5 gallon on gravel and feeding them together on the gravel!!!! Thats just stupid
 
Missy said:
is that his actual username meg?
as i just cant seem to find his site anywhere?
:(
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Missy,

His business is called South Mountain Reptiles. For some reason I cannot access his site to post the URL.
 
Kathy Love has a picture of a neonate Corn snake canabalizing itself on her website. It's the strangest looking thing -- a little snake died chowing down on itself. Check it out. :sobstory:
 
Yes, that was one of the weirdest things I have seen a corn do.

Here is the link:
http://www.cornutopia.com/Corn Utop...ge Stockpile - CornUtopia/WEB - cannibal corn


I use individual shoeboxes. I have racks that hold about 1,000 boxes. And I can stack a few hundred more on the counters and put weights on them for the temporary excess babies. I usually house each litter in two boxes (males and females) until they start feeding. Then I pull out each baby as it feeds. I lay the boxes out on the counter and try to grab them while they are eating, before another baby grabs the same pink - I sometimes have to cut a pink in half if I am not quick enough. It seems like the group feeding whips up a feeding frenzy and gets them interested more quickly for their first meal. I only remember a couple of times since 1985 that a baby ate another when they had never fed before. Both times that I can recall were baby bloodreds (different litters though) that were non-feeders for quite a while.

Not many cannibals, considering how many thousands have spent their first couple of weeks together over the years. But I have never housed feeding babies together, except maybe for the first year or so back in the mid-80s.
 
Interesting story, Kathy! I recall giving you a phone call three or four years ago about the same thing (tail biter) after successfully offering anole tail to a non-feeding Okeetee hatchling. I wish I had better follow-up news. He never managed to commit suicide by eating himself, but did begin wasing away to the point I chose to feed him off to a king. I only kept him as long as I did because he was an unusually light hatchling, had a perfect heart-shaped pattern on his head, and his head was very, very light; so I wanted to see what he might grow to be.
Odd thing is: he would bite himself after smelling lizard matter, and ignore a live, brained, or any other way to "cook an omlet" pinkie mouse! :bounce: And lizard parts would sometimes be eaten, sometimes bitten but never assimilated, and sometimes ignored. But he would nearly always decide it was time to bite himself when offered food. And he'd work it! :shrugs:

PS:
I just "got" your avatar! Very nice!!! :)
 
I fed one of my new snakes while she was blue last week . . . she had seemed very hungry and skinny and thought I'd offer her something anyway. Well, she could smell it but couldn't see it and ended up biting herself! She realized right away that she wasn't her own dinner and finally located her mouse, but I have to confess that it was pretty funny. However, after that it's easy to see how cannibalism could occur, especially if 1 snake were blue and very hungry.
 
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