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im new,very worried

kaylarose

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im sitting with my baby corn snake alejandro right now, got him on the 28th of december. he has warmed up alot compared to when i first got him. i fed him aprox two days ago and left him alone as suggested, well today i found the pinkie on the side of the cage thrown up i presume. he did swallow some aspen bedding when he ate but not enough to cause harm. he also hids 99% of the time and i never see him drink water unless i hold him above the water bowl. im so worried its making me sick :(
 
What are his temps? How are you heating his cage? How are you measuring the temperatures? Where did you get him from? What part of the house is he in?
 
Humidity doesn't really matter unless your baby has problems shedding.

How and where are you measuring the temperatures? Are you using a stick-on thermometer? A digitial probe thermometer? What? These are important questions, please answer them.
 
Also, corns do not need a night drop. Since corns are nocturnal, they do not experience the heat of the day, so 85 is what they should have on the warm side at all times.
 
I use two analog thermometers on both sides but they always read the same on each side , the side of the ten gallon tank that's lighted is a degree or two higher than the "cool side". I also have a small heated pad on the warm side under with a rock type hide. Could that be to much heat? I have been only having issues on temperature and how to control it because everywhere I research is the same yet it doesn't work
 
I have the pad under the tank of course not inside,with Aspen bedding and two hides(tree and cave from petsmart)
Also could the tank be to small to be able to control the hot and cool side?they seriously are the same temperature despite the lamp only being on one side
 
Well, you're not going to be reading the temps properly with an analog thermometer. They are very un-reliable and can be anywhere from 10-15 degrees off in either direction. If your heat pad is uncontrolled, unplug it. It's probably running about 120 degrees or more, which is way too high for your corn. You need to get a thermostat to control the temperature. This one is cheap and I have heard good things about it and plan to get one for my new rack: http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-MTPRTC-Digital-Thermostat-Heat/dp/B000NZZG3S
I don't think a ten gallon tank is too small to regulate temps, I've kept babies in 10 gallons before without issue! The small amount of heat output by the light shouldn't be significant enough to matter if it's only raising the air temps by 2 degrees. Remember that corns don't bask in the sun (they're nocturnal buggers!) so the UTH is the most reliable way to heat them, it just really, really needs that thermostat otherwise your corn can burn itself (they don't recognize that the pain they are in is caused by the heat).
 
Corns aren't basking animals. The temperature of the air does not matter at all. What matters is the belly heat they can get to. So the glass bottom of your tank, directly over the UTH, should be 85 degrees.
 
What makes corns comfortable to just lay out? Or do they constantly seek shelter? Because when I hold him I noticed he goes straight for shelter such as my shirt or into my hair.would a heated night light make him feel more sheltered?
 
He doesn't need the heat lamp at all. If the heat pad can make the bottom of the glass 85 degrees, that is sufficient.
 
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=is...=us&q=analog thermometer&sa=N&biw=480&bih=208 that is my exact thermometer. So should I move the light heat source to a higher location? The heating pad I'm not worried about because it gets no higher than a low setting on a "human" heating pad :p

I recommend a digital thermometer. Also, since it is a human heat pad, it is definitely too hot for the snake! Our body temps run at 98 degrees, so even the "low" setting on a human heat pad is hotter than that. As shari has said, you should measure the temperature with a digital thermometer, place the probe under the substrate right over it. I would also suggest getting a reptile heating pad and a thermostat. Since your temps are incorrect, this is probably what is causing the regurges.
 
No I have a reptile heating pad I was just comparing it to a human heating pad as it feels outside of the tank,now inside of the tank with the bedding I felt it and it's a comfortable warm temperature for the snake. When I've taken the lamp away the temp inside with the house being so cold it says 65 which makes me uncomfortable.
 
I repeat: Corn snakes are nocturnal. Air temperature doesn't matter for squat. My corns are active and eating well even when the air temperature in my house is 60 degrees during the day. They are active and eating in the wild with air temperatures in the 50s. Because the ground is warm.

This is because they have the BELLY HEAT they need. Also, "comfortably warm" to a human is probably quite a bit warmer than a mere 80 to 85 degrees. My heat pads feel barely warm at all when set to 85. Comfortably warm to the touch for me is 95 degrees!

Your thermometers are not measuring what is important. Please try to grasp this. Your temps are not controlled correctly and this is going to stress out your snake!

Please fix your husbandry as soon as you can! ... And your humidity will never improve until you take the heat lamp away. Those things dry out the cage like you wouldn't believe.
 
You're getting good advice here, please heed it! You need ot be measuring and controlling the temperature of the FLOOR, where your snakie usually is. They're ground-dwelling creatures, belly heat is all that matters.
 
If a heating pad feels warm to the touch, it is likely already too hot. When I touch my heating pads I can just barely make out any feeling of heat at all (if it weren't for using thermometers to monitor them I'd probably be tricked into thinking they weren't even working)

Go to home depot or wal mart or a store that carries thermometers (for measuring outdoor air temps). There will be digital ones that have a wire running out of it so that you can keep the thermometer unit itself inside your house and run the wire out a window so you can know the outdoor temps. They run somewhere around $10. Take the wire that you would run outside and run it to the inside of your cage and attach it directly to the glass, directly above the heat pad. (your snake will be able to lay on the glass so this is the most important temperature to monitor...not the air temperature. (Note that on the thermometer unit this will be read as the "out" temperature)

Secondly, you will need a thermostat to control the temps. Some examples:
http://www.spyderrobotics.com/products/herpstat.html
http://www.reptilebasics.com/ranco-etc-111000-pre-wired

You plug the heat pad into the thermostat, and plug the thermostat into the wall. There is a probe for the thermostat that will also go directly on the glass inside of the tank, directly over the heat pad. It will maintain around the temperature you set it at.

To sum up: There should be 2 probes inside the tank, directly on the glass, directly above the heat pad--Thermometer probe, Thermostat probe.

IF you don't have the money at the moment for a thermostat, a quick solution is to use a lamp dimmer switch you can pick up at a store like home depot. (Though I'd still recommend getting a thermostat as soon as you can). You plug the heatpad into the dimmer switch, plug the dimmer switch into the wall socket. You then have to play with the dimmer switch, moving it up and down, while watching as the temperature goes up/down on your thermometer until you find just the right setting. Note that if the temperatures in your house fluctuate, the temperatures of the heat pad will fluctuate if you are just using a dimmer switch which is why I wouldn't recommend them for long term use. So you could move the dimmer switch a tiny bit...wait 10 minutes and look at temperature on thermometer...move dimmer switch a tiny bit either up or down...wait 10 minutes...repeat.

The overhead light/heat doesn't even really need to be used for cornsnakes. The air temps in my own house tend to float around 68-70 degrees in the winter, which is the air temperature of my cages because I don't use any overhead heat for them. They just need the belly heat (heating pad) for digestion. And like someone else stated, unless you have any problems with shedding you don't have to worry too much about the humidity. In fact, your humidity is probably higher than mine runs in the winter time and I rarely run into shedding issues.

The last thing I would recommend is to give your snake some time to chill out and get used to its new environment. When I get a new snake, I put it in the cage and don't even handle it once for the first week. After that for about the first month I generally only handle it to feed and do a quick inspection. Hiding is very common for hatchlings. It is a new environment, they are freaked out. To them, you are a giant predator. It is actually pretty rare that I even see hatchlings in their cage until they are about a year old or so. Most of the time they crawl through the aspen shavings and hide. It is also very rare I ever see any of my snakes drinking.

With it having already regurged, it is very very very important not to stress the snake out any further than it already is. Do not try to feed it right away or the chances are higher it will regurge again which can become a dangerous situation. Do not handle it. Let it hide, because it will feel safer when it is hidden, and reduces stress. When you do feed it, if you want to avoid any ingestion of the bedding you can feed it in a separate small rubbermaid type container, and then move it back to it's enclosure after it is done eating.

There is a regurge protocol listed somewhere on this site and after I finish posting this message I will go look for it and post it for you to read or if someone else finds it before me they can post it.
 
thanks guys this is the kind of information i didnt see literally anywhere and the people at the pet store sure dont know anymore than i do. which is why i registered to this website :) thankyouthankyouthankyou and i will take everysingle piece of advice and spend the necessary amount to make my little one comfortable and happy.
 
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