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Interesting video.......

Oh good lord.

Michael, who is either a clone, sock puppet or brother, but clearly a supporter, of Ricky's posts, said:

I guess it's these same conspiracy theories that have you guys leaving BS Obama remarks.

What BS Obama remarks? I challenge you to quote them. You said 'you guys' so no mention of the linked videos or sites either. You're calling the people on this board liars with that line and I want an example.
 
In Michael's defense, I've seen threads long before this one where his brother has posted. The third guy is anybody's guess, but even if they are 3, they've got some life experience ahead of them..

I'm done for the night, LOL. See you all bright and early..:grin01:
 
If I was American, and of voting age, I would vote Obama in a heartbeat. As it stands right now, I (and the rest of the world) must sit here and pray that America doesn't make another stupid mistake.

Now don't get me wrong. John McCain seems like a nice enough person, and I will not attack him on a personal level (which it seems has been happening a lot). However I do think his policies are flawed, and the fact that he has voted with Bush 90% of the time frightens me. His health care policy is flawed and inadequate, and in my opinion would bring greater problems than good.

While I think that socialized health care is definitely the way to go (with proper government funding). To put it this way, I don't believe that the child of a gas station attendant and the child of a CEO should get different standards of care. It just seems morally wrong to me that people actually believe that that is fair and just.

Obama, in my opinion will do a lot to get the United States out of the sorry state that it is in. John McCain, not so much.

....and the "you wait in line for substandard care" meme begins in 4.....3.....2.... ;)

Dale
 
While I think that socialized health care is definitely the way to go (with proper government funding).
That means citizen funding.
To put it this way, I don't believe that the child of a gas station attendant and the child of a CEO should get different standards of care. It just seems morally wrong to me that people actually believe that that is fair and just.
Do you also believe that a gas station attendant and a CEO should drive the same car? Health care, like cars; costs money. No matter whether it comes out of the public pocket or individual. What if the gas station attendant smokes cigarettes and drinks whiskey every night? Should those of us who eat right and go to a gym pitch in because of his choices? Or would you propose that the government can decide what we eat, drink, and put into our bodies? I'll fight that one tooth and nail.
 
I've paid to be a contributor, but still don't have the editing privileges. Substandard care can be pointed out, Jazzgeek; but that's at the bottom of this big ol' fish pond.
 
I didn't actually see this post:

Michael Couture said:
None of you are educated enough to speak on this matter, and by definition are ignorant based on your experiences as white people. Stick to corn snakes, because clearly the only experience most of you have on the subject is the bias evening news.

You claim that white people are ignorant by virtue of being white? What makes you this paragon of racial equality when you dismiss an entire race of people as ignorant? Seriously, whether you are all the same person, or are three different people using the same computer, I am appalled at your racism, your ignorance, your hatred, your propaganda, your fanaticism and your arrogance. Regardless of supporting Republicans or Democrats, it is you and the people with your attitudes who bear the fault of a society ills. You attempt to claim a moral high ground while spreading hate and anger for your so called ivory tower.

Stop whatever you're doing and take a serious look at everything you've said since this thread began. Either you are the most effective troll I've ever come across, or you are the embodiment of everything your posts attempts to criticize.
 
I've paid to be a contributor, but still don't have the editing privileges. Substandard care can be pointed out, Jazzgeek; but that's at the bottom of this big ol' fish pond.
I'm all ears.

Dale
(Yes, the profile photo proves that I'm mostly nose.) :D
 
In Michael's defense, I've seen threads long before this one where his brother has posted. The third guy is anybody's guess, but even if they are 3, they've got some life experience ahead of them..

...and then their were three, I guess anything's possible but seems more like one guy registered to CS.com by A.C.O.R.N. Give Rich time and maybe he'll unveil his other 70 registrations.:duck:
 
No more discussion about this, the racial profiling, and prison stat jokes prove my points. As far as life experience, you know nothing about me, and could never even try to comprehend my experience.
I've met some great people when discussing snakes, and some not so great people in other threads. I really wanted to really speak my mind, but I want to stay on this site to discuss Corn Snake related topics, so I'll bite my tongue (typing hand).
 
I'm all ears.

Dale
(Yes, the profile photo proves that I'm mostly nose.) :D
Just comparing Canada to America:
Wait times

One of the major complaints about the Canadian health care system is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer. Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 57% of Canadians reported waiting 4 weeks or more to see a specialist; 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room.[20]

A March 2, 2004 article in the Canadian Medical Association Journal stated, "Saskatchewan is under fire for having the longest waiting time in the country for a diagnostic MRI — a whopping 22 months." [3]

A February 28, 2006 article in The New York Times quoted Dr. Brian Day as saying, "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two to three years."[21] In a 2007 episode of ABC News 20/20, host John Stossel cited numerous examples of Canadians who had difficulty accessing health care.[22]

According to the Fraser Institute, treatment time from initial referral by a GP through consultation with a specialist to final treatment, across all specialties and all procedures (emergency, non-urgent, and elective), averaged 17.7 weeks in 2005.[23][24] However, the Fraser Institute's report is greatly at odds with the Canadian government's own 2007 report.[25]

Since 2002, the Canadian government has invested $5.5 billion to address the wait times problem.[26] In April 2007, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced that all ten provinces and three territories would establish patient wait times guarantees by 2010. Canadians will be guaranteed timely access to health care in at least one of the following priority areas, prioritized by each province: cancer care, hip and knee replacement, cardiac care, diagnostic imaging, cataract surgeries or primary care.[27]

[edit] Medical professional shortage

Canada's shortage of medical practitioners causes problems.[28] With 2.2 doctors per thousand population, Canada is well below the OECD average of 3.0, although its 10 nurses per thousand was slightly above the OECD average of 8.6.[29] Suggested solutions include increasing the number of training spaces for doctors in Canada, as well as streamlining the licensing process for foreign doctors already in the country.[30]

Doctors in Canada make an average of $202,000 a year (2006, before expenses).[31] Alberta has the highest average salary of around $230,000, while Quebec has the lowest average annual salary at $165,000, creating interprovincial competition for doctors and contributing to local shortages.[31]

In 1991, the Ontario Medical Association agreed to become a province-wide closed shop, making the OMA union a monopoly. Critics argue that this measure has restricted the supply of doctors to guarantee its members' incomes.[32]

According to a 2007 article, the Canadian medical profession is suffering from a brain drain. The article states, "One in nine trained-in-Canada doctors is practising medicine in the United States... If Canadian-educated doctors who were born in the U.S. are excluded, the number is one in 12." [4]

In September 2008, the Ontario Medical Association and the Ontarian government agreed to a new four-year contract that will see doctors receive a 12.25% pay raise. The new agreement is expected to cost Ontarians an extra $1 billion. Referring to the agreement, Ontario premier Dalton McGuinty said,"One of the things that we've got to do, of course, is ensure that we're competitive ... to attract and keep doctors here in Ontario...".[33]
From Wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada (and I'm not even digging). Two things I've learned in life, science works and capitalism is less flawed than the other idea.
 
No more discussion about this, the racial profiling, and prison stat jokes prove my points. As far as life experience, you know nothing about me, and could never even try to comprehend my experience.
I've met some great people when discussing snakes, and some not so great people in other threads. I really wanted to really speak my mind, but I want to stay on this site to discuss Corn Snake related topics, so I'll bite my tongue (typing hand).

I know I said I was leaving, but I found myself reading the news and checking the polls and I thought, "what's the point?" lol. I'm suffering from a little political PTSD at the moment.

I know a little something about you Michael, because I was a young man too. I wouldn't have lasted a week here when I was a young, vegan, punk rocker with ALL the answers.
I'm not trying to throw any insults your way, I just think that you're a little bit wound up right now.

As far as Obama's Presidency being in the bag, please remember what he said today, Before you get too cocky and think it's over I got two words for you: New Hampshire. (No quotes cause I'm paraphrasing..) That's the state where Hillary beat him after all the polls said she wouldn't. This election isn't over yet. Please remember that we are representing him here. Which reminds me to remind everyone else about that whole "guilt by association" fallacy, lol.
 
I didn't actually see this post:



You claim that white people are ignorant by virtue of being white? What makes you this paragon of racial equality when you dismiss an entire race of people as ignorant? Seriously, whether you are all the same person, or are three different people using the same computer, I am appalled at your racism, your ignorance, your hatred, your propaganda, your fanaticism and your arrogance. Regardless of supporting Republicans or Democrats, it is you and the people with your attitudes who bear the fault of a society ills. You attempt to claim a moral high ground while spreading hate and anger for your so called ivory tower.

Stop whatever you're doing and take a serious look at everything you've said since this thread began. Either you are the most effective troll I've ever come across, or you are the embodiment of everything your posts attempts to criticize.
I stated it was the ignorance of the people joking about profiling, and that their ignorance about what african americans go through was based on them being white.
As far as your "societies ills" comment, you know nothing about me, and never will. I see your Barackstar avatar depicting the false characterization of Obama, so your judgements of people are clearly untrue.

You would have never criticized the comments of racial profiling, or prison statistics, because you would rather join the bandwagon. Atleast I base my comments on what I feel is right, and not what the response will be to it. Read my first post before you tell me to, and tell me what was wrong in it. Then the conversation escelated, to the point of despairing remarks, and I am the type of person to speak my mind, because it became a war of words.

I've gotten rep from people who agree, they are just smart enough to know how petty alot of you get with quotes and nagging. So don't think that somehow you guys are the majority because you all scratch eachother's back to justify your opinions. It's just that I could care less whether 1 or 100 people agree or disagree, I will still share my opinion.
 
prison stat jokes
It's no joke.

Look at each race's population in the U.S. Then look at our prison system and the percentage of each race that's in it. Statistically speaking shouldn't the race with the largest percentage of our population fill the prisons? You wonder why there's racial profiling? Really? Look up the stats.
 
That means citizen funding.

Do you also believe that a gas station attendant and a CEO should drive the same car? Health care, like cars; costs money. No matter whether it comes out of the public pocket or individual. What if the gas station attendant smokes cigarettes and drinks whiskey every night? Should those of us who eat right and go to a gym pitch in because of his choices? Or would you propose that the government can decide what we eat, drink, and put into our bodies? I'll fight that one tooth and nail.

Yes. So you have to pay taxes so that everyone has an equal chance at a healthy life.

I believe cars are a privilege. Health care is (or should be) a right. If the gas station attendant does not take care of himself, then that's unfortunate. I guess he will probably die sooner and then you won't have to pay for him anymore ;)

I think the attitude that you portray is rather selfish to be honest. I know people love their money, but I really believe that properly funded socialized medicine is for the greater good. Perhaps if your government spent less of your tax dollars on a useless war that should have been finished years ago, your tax money could be used to benefit everyone.
 
I know I said I was leaving, but I found myself reading the news and checking the polls and I thought, "what's the point?" lol. I'm suffering from a little political PTSD at the moment.

I know a little something about you Michael, because I was a young man too. I wouldn't have lasted a week here when I was a young, vegan, punk rocker with ALL the answers.
I'm not trying to throw any insults your way, I just think that you're a little bit wound up right now.

As far as Obama's Presidency being in the bag, please remember what he said today, Before you get too cocky and think it's over I got two words for you: New Hampshire. (No quotes cause I'm paraphrasing..) That's the state where Hillary beat him after all the polls said she wouldn't. This election isn't over yet. Please remember that we are representing him here. Which reminds me to remind everyone else about that whole "guilt by association" fallacy, lol.
Alright last thing. I have always appreciated your input, and you have really earned my respect with your way of finding common ground.
If you read my first post it was very civil, but then I read some things that I felt I had to respond to. I got really worked up about the comments about profiling, and prison stats, because I hate to hear jokes about the plight of other people. I think if you are going to look at crime/incarceration stats, you need to look at economic equality, environment, education, etc... And to try to joke as though there is no other reason to these stats, other than the color of ones skin is ridiculous. Read my very first post, and then see what path this discussion took. Maybe I should have left it at that, but I feel compelled to respond to such allegations. And I was also bothered that a moderator could post such a biased video, and then threaten to ban my brother with his opinion.
 
Yes. So you have to pay taxes so that everyone has an equal chance at a healthy life.

I believe cars are a privilege. Health care is (or should be) a right. If the gas station attendant does not take care of himself, then that's unfortunate. I guess he will probably die sooner and then you won't have to pay for him anymore ;)

I think the attitude that you portray is rather selfish to be honest. I know people love their money, but I really believe that properly funded socialized medicine is for the greater good. Perhaps if your government spent less of your tax dollars on a useless war that should have been finished years ago, your tax money could be used to benefit everyone.
I love this post, I could'nt agree more. We are so deep in debt from war, so why should people have a problem with paying to provide equal healthcare, especially when the wealthier can afford to do so. We all have to take a cut to do our part, and if it's to provide balanced healthcare than all the better. We can't compromise our healthcare, and our children's healthcare, because we want to shave a little off the top.
 
Yes. So you have to pay taxes so that everyone has an equal chance at a healthy life.
Everyone doesn't have an equal chance at a healthy life. It's not fair, sure. I have that in my hatchling snakes all the time. Some people get disease. Some abuse their bodies. Others are struck by lightening. But from the womb, no one has an "equal chance" at a healthy life.

I believe cars are a privilege. Health care is (or should be) a right. If the gas station attendant does not take care of himself, then that's unfortunate. I guess he will probably die sooner and then you won't have to pay for him anymore ;)
But as soon as he runs up bills that stress the "greater good," here comes the health police. Hell, they're already here. The media coverage for one tasty breakfast sandwich that happens to have 3,000 calories surpasses even this "illegal war." If we're all pitching in, ANY thing people abstain from for health reasons will be outlawed or taxed all to bejesus.

I think the attitude that you portray is rather selfish to be honest. I know people love their money, but I really believe that properly funded socialized medicine is for the greater good. Perhaps if your government spent less of your tax dollars on a useless war that should have been finished years ago, your tax money could be used to benefit everyone.

Selfish? I don't expect you to pay for my lifestyle, don't at all see one ounce of selfishness there. You can scream about the war all you wish, but that doesn't fix health care. To me, that's akin to military people complaining about welfare and all the armament they could have if it would only go away.
 
It's no joke.

Look at each race's population in the U.S. Then look at our prison system and the percentage of each race that's in it. Statistically speaking shouldn't the race with the largest percentage of our population fill the prisons? You wonder why there's racial profiling? Really? Look up the stats.
You fail to see that it's systematic imprisonment. Do you know what happened to alot of slave plantations when slavery ended? they turned right into prisons. If you can't look at what might cause these dramatic numbers, then can you tell me what makes african americans more likely to commit crimes?
We build prisons to create jobs and guess what... they need to be filled somehow. Now who is more likely to be targeted to fill these prisons, white people? or minorities?
 
It seems to me that whether we have socialized medicine or not, we have it anyway. Who foots the bill when someone broke has to go to the emergency room and not pay? Do we think we're getting a better deal that way?
Privatized medicine in a country as wealthy as ours is something akin to privatized police forces or privatized national security... I don't want to socialize cars though (joke)..
I had socialized medicine once. In the Army. It wasn't great, but I had better care then than I do now.
 
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