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Is she really a hypo? What is she?

BabyBlueEyes

BabyBlueEyes

JMcornsnakes
Hey guys,

I bought this female hypo from my local petstore for $60. She was labeled as a hypo and i even asked the owner of the place. He also said she was a hypo and he's an experienced reptile breeder and handler, But something tells me she's not really a hypo? I've seen other hypo's out there and they dont have black pigment at all... I might be wrong or i might be right....

Here are some photo's of the female hypo, please let me know what you all think! I really want to get to the bottom of this! lol:fullauto:
 

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It seems like she's got too much black to be Hypo. I would say she's a Classic/Normal or possibly borderline Okeetee, but the colors aren't bright enough to be Okeetee and the borders aren't as thick as they normally would be.

In short, I'd say she's a Classic. She's very pretty, though!
 
oh wow so that lil piece of turd sold a snake that was totally labeled wrong?! I'm never going back there again! I knewsomething smelled fishy!!!!
 
Is it at all possible that she was sold as het Hypo? That's the only thing I could think of. I guess she could be hypo, as all corns vary in appearance, but I would lean strongly toward her being a normal.

I would suggest checking out Ians Vivarium to see all the variations. You'll see Hypo here, and this is a Normal Corn.
 
I'm going to say that is a normal. There's way too much black for me to call it a hypo. What color are the belly checks?
 
BabyBlueEyes said:
oh wow so that lil piece of turd sold a snake that was totally labeled wrong?! I'm never going back there again! I knewsomething smelled fishy!!!!
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$60 for an adult normal isn't really expensive, maybe a little over price but not much. The babes are about $20, so add another $20 for every year of life, it looks two or three years old. You will find that a lot of pet stores don't have morphs labeled correctly. I recommend the corn snake morph guide for reference, it has lots of pics in it of most morphs.
 
Since there is a great deal of variation in the coloration of hypos, especially adults, I personally can not identify this particular snake as being a hypo, but I can't rule it out either. A good look at the belly checks would most definitely be in order. If they are a definite solid black, then I would lean towards that snake as being a normal, but if they are even a dark brown/bronze or show some of the orange ground color in them, then it just might be a hypo.

As an example, this snake is homozygous hypo but doesn't look like your typical hypo. And I'm sure if you searched for hypo Okeetees, you'll see snakes with darker saddle bands as well.
 
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I can attest to the stores not labeling correctly. My Diffused was marked as a normal but then that one is pretty easy to tell the difference lol! A very nice snake no matter what. Oh and $60 for an adult is a steal in my eyes! Reguardless of color.
 
Belly checks are light brown and towards the bottom end of her body it has orange bleeding into them as well. Thats why its a little confusing. I will post some pictures of her belly later tonight. I know she is a normal, not a hypo and the price i bought her for isn't my problem, its because he sold me a "hypo" that really is a normal. She might be het hypo but im not sure.
 
Well, did you buy the snake to breed? If not remember next time petstores are bad! (not trying to sound condensending, good breeders tend to have more at stake with honesty than petshops)
 
carnivorouszoo said:
good breeders tend to have more at stake with honesty than petshops
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Emphasis on the GOOD Breeder part. I hate when people consider themselves breeders when they have no idea what they are doing and no idea about what morphs they have. That's just me. Most the time I have a pretty good idea what morph it is I'm looking at. I have looked at hundreds of pics on here, fauna, in Kathy's book and the Morph Guide, to learn the morphs, but I still ask the folks here just to be sure :D You got a beautiful snake regardless if it's morph :D
 
Rich has always said that "hypo" is a 4-letter word. You really can't say "yeah" or "nay" on the genetics of some snakes until you see the results of breeding trials. You can't be 100% certain that ISN'T a hypo until then.
 
K. Rene said:
Emphasis on the GOOD Breeder part. I hate when people consider themselves breeders when they have no idea what they are doing and no idea about what morphs they have. That's just me. Most the time I have a pretty good idea what morph it is I'm looking at. I have looked at hundreds of pics on here, fauna, in Kathy's book and the Morph Guide, to learn the morphs, but I still ask the folks here just to be sure :D You got a beautiful snake regardless if it's morph :D
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?? So your saying that i as a breeder don't know anything in regards to my snakes? I specifically stated in my previous posts that i "KNOW" shes not a hypo but i just wanted to get everyone's "OPINIONS" from this site. I don't understand what your post was for? I personally think that was uncalled for.
 
I think he meant the person you bought it from and who may have mislabelled/missold it - not you.
 
Unless you're planning on breeding it, does it matter in the end? $60 for a healthy adult, even a normal, isn't an awful price... you could get better on craigslist but then you'd risk health (for your snake and yourself). If you aren't planning on breeding, ignore the 'morph' label and buy what looks pretty to you :) Then you'll never have to worry about "he said x was a y but it turned out to be a z".
 
BabyBlueEyes said:
?? So your saying that i as a breeder don't know anything in regards to my snakes? I specifically stated in my previous posts that i "KNOW" shes not a hypo but i just wanted to get everyone's "OPINIONS" from this site. I don't understand what your post was for? I personally think that was uncalled for.
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I wasn't taking a jab at you just who you got them from. Sorry I thought I made that clear. I was just stating that petshops are NOT the most reliable places to get snakes if you want to know exactly what you are getting. Goodness take a chill pill.:awcrap:
 
I am planning on breeding her yo my male hypo with unknown hets, that was the main reason why i bought her.. thats why im a little pissed. Oh well lesson learned... no more petstores... i guess i have to find a different project to fit this girl in now! :headbang:
 
hypo pics :*)
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2 next to each other

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I'd be pissed too if I thought I was getting a hypo. . . always a chance she is het. Maybe the shop guy got mixed up? Could always try her with him to rule it out. The babies would then be het hypo. Crummy petshops :( GERRR!
 
BabyBlueEyes said:
oh wow so that lil piece of turd sold a snake that was totally labeled wrong?! I'm never going back there again! I knewsomething smelled fishy!!!!
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I am sure this will not sit well with you, but you need to take some responsibility in the error also. You stated you "thought it was too good to be true" and in a later response to another poster you stated you didn't think it was a hypo. So, you can't just blame the store, you have to follow your gut and then research also.

The snake has way too much melanin to be a hypo in my opinion, but then I have been wrong before in my life. If you want to check to be sure before breedings, then look to the shed skins. The shed skin of a hypo doesn't show melanin from the pattern. If the skin is clear, then it is a hypo, if you can see the pattern, then not hypo.

dc
 
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