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Jindal and the exorcism

Emanon said:
so he is pro creationism :shrugs: big deal.
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Actually it's not that he's pro-creationism, people can believe whatever they want...I'm personally a spiritual person so there is definitely room for creationism in my personal beliefs. What I meant to point out is that he allows it into his politics, He signed a law in Louisiana that was basically designed to allow the teaching of creationism in schools!
That is more than wrong!
If you want to start teaching anything non-scientific in public schools then the doors are open to anything from Wicca to " the final solution".
 
I'm curious what people who are pro-creationism explain evolution? Like doesn't even simple artificial selection (such as breeding corns), explain genes are inherited?

(Not trying to criticize, just want to learn the other side).
 
hmmm... I believe I taught the final solution yesterday and today. As a history teacher I do it every year. In the state standards for California it also talks about the national religious history and its influences on american society.

creationism is a belief just as many other things we teach on... shoot... we talk about beliefs here all the time... politics is a belief.

Stop acting like they are forcing kids to drink the Flavoraid (it was not Koolaid)
from what I have seen of standards drawn up they have it presented as another theory... where is the harm in a theory? Seems like we teach about another theory and people have a very strong belief about that.
 
ummm... I have never meet someone who denies that species evolve. There is NO argument there ... creationism vs. evolution is more a debate of did we indeed come from a single cell organism
 
ForkedTung said:
He signed a law in Louisiana that was basically designed to allow the teaching of creationism in schools!
That is more than wrong!
If you want to start teaching anything non-scientific in public schools then the doors are open to anything from Wicca to " the final solution".
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Darwinism/evolution may be more scientific, but that by no means means that it is correct. The fact that many theories that have been proven wrong are still taught in our schools scares me. I'm definitely not an expert but looking at how extremely complex our world is i cant believe that it just "happened". Thats just my 2cents.
 
4.6 billion years is an unimaginably long time....can't fully wrap my head around that!

I think computer simulations have shown that the human eye can evolve in 400,000 years....just based on selection + mutation + drift + migration.....so amazing to think!
 
Emanon said:
hmmm... I believe I taught the final solution yesterday and today. As a history teacher I do it every year. In the state standards for California it also talks about the national religious history and its influences on american society.

creationism is a belief just as many other things we teach on... shoot... we talk about beliefs here all the time... politics is a belief.

Stop acting like they are forcing kids to drink the Flavoraid (it was not Koolaid)
from what I have seen of standards drawn up they have it presented as another theory... where is the harm in a theory? Seems like we teach about another theory and people have a very strong belief about that.
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I have to believe that you know what I meant when I said "teach... the final solution" but if not then as a teacher myself I will explain it hopefully more clearly this time. I meant that it would be wrong, to teach it as a sound and acceptable practice, that stigmatizing and scapegoating another race/culture/ethnicity is an acceptable and condoned practice.
Yes creationism is a belief, so is Satanism and racism. do you believe the door should be open to teaching these "beliefs" as well, or is it only the beliefs that you personally are comfortable with?

Yes it is a theory, but it is not a scientific theory and therefore has no place in a science classroom.

If you want your students or children to learn creationism then start a private school so your personal beliefs can be taught there and you can serve whatever brand of Flavorade you prefer. My belief is that the Separation of Church and State, was one of the best ideas to ever be applied to government and your personal beliefs will never change that.
 
xerxes said:
Darwinism/evolution may be more scientific, but that by no means means that it is correct. The fact that many theories that have been proven wrong are still taught in our schools scares me. I'm definitely not an expert but looking at how extremely complex our world is i cant believe that it just "happened". Thats just my 2cents.
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That's fine theories evolve over time, evolution is not set in stone, but it conforms to scientific principles. the problem with beliefs and untested theories is that they can and will be used to subjugate others. The Nazis really, actually believed that Jews were subhuman animals and created pseudo-scientific documents and a belief system to substantiate this, something a history teacher should know.
 
Kyle, please don't...(and I know you don't)...judge all people and things from Louisiana by this one non-native cultural newbie to the state. My people have been here since 1721, from France, via Sainte Domingue and New Orleans. We have a unique culture here, and we also have some very sophisticated thinkers, poets, philosophers, and writers.
 
LostNFound said:
ummm... I have never meet someone who denies that species evolve. There is NO argument there ... creationism vs. evolution is more a debate of did we indeed come from a single cell organism
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You're misinformed, There is a huge debate and a great many more people than you would believe that don't believe in evolution, a minority that would like to indoctrinate the majority. Honestly creationism is a thinly disguised rational for allowing religion into public schools. There is an entire museum dedicated to refuting evolution.
here:http://www.creationmuseum.org/
These people believe that there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark.
 
vetusvates said:
Kyle, please don't...(and I know you don't)...judge all people and things from Louisiana by this one non-native cultural newbie to the state. My people have been here since 1721, from France, via Sainte Domingue and New Orleans. We have a unique culture here, and we also have some very sophisticated thinkers, poets, philosophers, and writers.
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Eric, You should know me better than that! His point of origin has nothing to do with what he does. I'm a southerner at heart, I would live in the South again in a heartbeat if I could!!! I was born up here, but I honestly identify better with Southerners....
 
LostNFound said:
what about in a history class room??
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It doesn't even remotely fit any curriculum within public schools, nor should it. It really is a foot-in-the-door for religion.

Found this for ya:
Is creationism really science, and should it be taught along with evolution in schools?
No and no. Scientific creationism - also known as Biblical literalism or fundamentalism - is really a religious doctrine, though its proponents are trying not to admit the fact. Consider this statement from the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), a prominent creationist institution: "The Bible . . . is the divinely-inspired revelation of the Creator to man. Its unique, plenary, verbal inspiration guarantees that these writings, as originally and miraculously given, are infallible and completely authoritative on all matters with which they deal, free from error of any sort, scientific and historical as well as moral and theological" (ICR Tenets of Creationism). These are not scientific words and this is not a scientific theory. As such, it should not be included in public-education science classes; such inclusion would give a false impression of scientific methodology. Please see National Center for Science Education.
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link:
http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/ef3.shtml
 
ForkedTung said:
You're misinformed, There is a huge debate and a great many more people than you would believe that don't believe in evolution, a minority that would like to indoctrinate the majority. Honestly creationism is a thinly disguised rational for allowing religion into public schools. There is an entire museum dedicated to refuting evolution.
here:http://www.creationmuseum.org/
These people believe that there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark.
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I can attest to the fact there are indeed people, and reptile keepers at that even, that do not believe in evolution. That argue that dinosaurs evolved from birds, instead of vice versa. That fossils were fabricated and are a grand hoax. That argue that dinosaurs were Satan's counterpoint creations to God's created animals. And other various illogical, nonsensical, and self-contradictory things. I ran into this on another forum. Then ran away like the wind. It was scary. I am totally serious.
 
You know what's really upsetting is that I, and many others including many religious ( per se) people don't see evolution and religion as mutually exclusive. Who's to say "god" didn't create evolution? I certainly wouldn't. But I'd be the last to ever want that taught in schools.
The problem is once the door is open than it can't be closed and who then is to say what is what? Science has it's own means to weeding out what doesn't work and that's the way it should be.
 
But the door has been closed before ... it was taught in schools, many many years ago. It is not a new idea to teach creationism in school. People who fight to kept it out are more or less fighting to keep it from coming back ...

at least thats the way I see it ... ;)
 
LostNFound said:
what about ... greek myths ... aren't bible stories pretty much along those lines?
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In reference to being taught in school? Being taught about something is not the same as it being presented as factual dogma. By teaching this in public schools; creationists are attempting to legitimize it.
 
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