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Jindal and the exorcism

LostNFound said:
But the door has been closed before ... it was taught in schools, many many years ago. It is not a new idea to teach creationism in school. People who fight to kept it out are more or less fighting to keep it from coming back ...

at least thats the way I see it ... ;)
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Either way, It is out now, rightfully so, and should stay that way.
Again, If people really want to teach their children creationism, nothing, again NOTHING is stopping them from opening a private school or discussing it with their children. That's what is great about this country, you can do that here because of the separation of church and state.
I just don't want my tax dollars used teaching your beliefs (religion...Flavorade) to my child.
 
Emanon said:
creationism is a belief just as many other things we teach on... shoot... we talk about beliefs here all the time... politics is a belief.

from what I have seen of standards drawn up they have it presented as another theory... where is the harm in a theory? Seems like we teach about another theory and people have a very strong belief about that.
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Belief does not equal theory. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a theory need evidence to support it? At least that's something I teach my science students. :shrugs: Where's the evidence to support the """theory""" of creationism?


xerxes said:
The fact that many theories that have been proven wrong are still taught in our schools scares me.
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Could you give some specific examples please?

D80
 
ForkedTung said:
In reference to being taught in school? Being taught about something is not the same as it being presented as factual dogma. By teaching this in public schools; creationists are attempting to legitimize it.
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But there are those that still worship those greek gods ... it is still a thriving religion ... albeit a small one. If there is a true separation if church and state then shouldn't they be written out of the curriculum to?
 
LostNFound said:
But there are those that still worship those greek gods ... it is still a thriving religion ... albeit a small one. If there is a true separation if church and state then shouldn't they be written out of the curriculum to?
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Reading the Illiad does not constitute worship any more than reading the Bible would. The question would be in reading the Bible, would today's society be able to discuss it as a literary work as opposed to a religious belief system?

D80
 
LostNFound said:
But there are those that still worship those greek gods ... it is still a thriving religion ... albeit a small one. If there is a true separation if church and state then shouldn't they be written out of the curriculum to?
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I'm not sure I understand? they teach about Nazism and there are still neo-nazis around, but that doesn't mean that they're promoting the Holocaust. Teaching about Greek gods is not the same as unequivocally stating that Medusa in fact made the cornsnake sitting in the tank next to you.
 
well no I am not saying they have to teach that God made the trees and the birdies but there are many GREAT stories. noah and the ark, shadrack, meshack and abindigo (I know I didn't spell those right LMAO) .... there are MANY stories of how the greek gods save people from demise. Why not STORIES from the bible ... taught from a literary angle? I mean there are stories of Love, lust, betrayal, murder ... it's not all creation ...
 
LostNFound said:
well no I am not saying they have to teach that God made the trees and the birdies but there are many GREAT stories. noah and the ark, shadrack, meshack and abindigo (I know I didn't spell those right LMAO) .... there are MANY stories of how the greek gods save people from demise. Why not STORIES from the bible ... taught from a literary angle? I mean there are stories of Love, lust, betrayal, murder ... it's not all creation ...
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What about the Koran?
Native American stories about the Windigo?
Mayan creation belief?
Where does it end?
or are we only allowed to teach Christian creationism?
 
LostNFound said:
well no I am not saying they have to teach that God made the trees and the birdies but there are many GREAT stories. noah and the ark, shadrack, meshack and abindigo (I know I didn't spell those right LMAO) .... there are MANY stories of how the greek gods save people from demise. Why not STORIES from the bible ... taught from a literary angle? I mean there are stories of Love, lust, betrayal, murder ... it's not all creation ...
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But you missed my question. Could today's society separate the literary from the religious? No. We, as a culture/society are removed enough from the stories of the Greek and Roman gods/goddesses that we can read them as literary stories. Not so (yet) with the Bible or any other current religious work.

D80

PS. I'm in not arguing AGAINST religion.
 
ForkedTung said:
What about the Koran?
Native American stories about the Windigo?
Mayan creation belief?
Where does it end?
or are we only allowed to teach Christian creationism?
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If we are looking at them from a LITERARY standpoint then why not! I good story is a good story ... right?

Drizzt80 said:
But you missed my question. Could today's society separate the literary from the religious? No. We, as a culture/society are removed enough from the stories of the Greek and Roman gods/goddesses that we can read them as literary stories. Not so (yet) with the Bible or any other current religious work.

D80
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and yes sadly you are right .... people can't take the religion out of a story ... yet ... one way that can happen is more or less desensitization.
One could flood the system with stories from all different religions. discuss how they are similar and different. Many stories in the bible are almost exactly the same as stories from other groups.
 
Erica all of those can be and are taught in some classes. They are not and never should be taught in anything related to the sciences except as examples of non-science!
 
LostNFound said:
hey D80
p.s. I am just enjoying the debate ;) I could easily argue the other side to this...
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No worries. I show a video on Galileo in class and have to spend a ridiculous amount of time trying to explain how he was persecuted by the Catholic church without offending the religious. ;) I have to choose words carefully!

D80
 
what about skipping that area altogether .... I mean cut out any form of where the earth came from. How it all came to be. Just stick to how chemicals react, anatomy you know those sorts things ... Only touch on Evolution within a species. ... like horses used to have a "toe" on their leg ... that kinda thing.
 
Evolution only applies to species.

The other sciences apply to Earth etc...( not evolution)

I'm gonna play:dgrin: to your :dgrin:

So how did Noah Stop the T Rexes from eating the poodles on the big ole Love Boat?
 
ForkedTung said:
You know what's really upsetting is that I, and many others including many religious ( per se) people don't see evolution and religion as mutually exclusive. Who's to say "god" didn't create evolution?
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I've always wondered about that too! I've never been religious, but if I was I'd tell people that whatever science unravels is just more glory to god.
 
LostNFound said:
what about skipping that area altogether .... I mean cut out any form of where the earth came from. How it all came to be.
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Because there's evidence supporting the current theories that currently exist within geologic science and how earth came to be. It doesn't prove them, but it supports them. That's what science is predicated on . . . evidence. Religion is predicated on belief. (So is AstroLogy.)

D80
 
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