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Just how bright?
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tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
From what I know a sunglow doesn't have any white on them. So basically its an amel with no white borders. But i could be wrong.
SnakesRule1234
New member
Sunglows are specifically bred to have no white. To me, any amel with no white is a sunglow..
Mrs InsaneOne
I See Snakes...
It's not just the amels without any white, that are sunglows. They also have to have intense reds, oranges, and yellows. They are exceptionally bright animals that seem to 'glow'.
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Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
Its more than just 'no white'. As was already pointed out, they need to have very intense oranges and reds. A good example is amel stripes, I don't know that I've ever seen an amel stripe with any white, but there is a marked difference between an amel stripe and a sunglow stripe. So its a combination of no white and intense colors.
Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
I don't think on the same level that stripes don't have white. There are a lot of amel motleys that have lots of white, but there also sunglow motleys as well. So I don't know that one can say if they're less prone or not.
Weebonilass
New member
There are also amel motleys that don't have white but are certainly NOT sunglow.
Some would call that sunglow - but I doubt it would qualify were it not for the motley gene, and I've seen pictures of sunglow motleys (poppycorns) that blow that guy to pieces.
Is that one of yours, Funky? He appears to be in blue, so really not fair to post that picture.
FunkyRes
New member
He use to be one of mine - I donated him to my nieces school, where they named him Cornelius. Bred by Michelle Heart - he started as a known non-feeder but is doing well now. I would have loved to have kept him, but unfortunately, I already have more projects planned than I have room for ... and her school was going to get a Petco corn, so I offered him as an established feeder, already with decent size, making him better for the kids to handle.
Yeah - I think he may be in blue in that photo, I probably have one somewhere oh him not in blue, but still - despite no white borders, his colors are blown away by some sunglow motleys.
Yeah - I think he may be in blue in that photo, I probably have one somewhere oh him not in blue, but still - despite no white borders, his colors are blown away by some sunglow motleys.
kimbyra
cornsnake addict
This is debateable. Even though a sunglow is definitely a no-white amel, the actual degree of intensity or brightness has been argued over. My "sunglow" male, Vesuvius, has absolutely no white, very pretty pumpkiny colors, but I've decided not to name him a sunglow (just an amel) because he is not all dayglow looking. I'm not sure I've made the best decision, but I do support standards.
Weebonilass
New member
By some... not by all... just like every other morph there will be some more stellar colored animals than others. I think that guy qualifies even if there are "some" that blow him away.
kimbyra
cornsnake addict
There are also amel motleys that don't have white but are certainly NOT sunglow.
Some would call that sunglow - but I doubt it would qualify were it not for the motley gene, and I've seen pictures of sunglow motleys (poppycorns) that blow that guy to pieces.
Personnaly, I would have called that one sunglow. I wonder how he colors up in time.
poppycorn
Luv my bright-eyed jewels
I don't think there is a clear dividing line between "sunglow" and "not sunglow". It's really more of a "you get what you pay for" type thing I think, like anything else. Someone might call a snake a sunglow and charge more for it but you will have to decide for yourself if you got your money's worth in comparison to a really good quality one. And the best sunglows keep improving so it's going to be a moving target.
Caryl
BrightHope
Like so many other things, sunglow-not sunglow is a bit of a judgement call. I would call FunkyRes's snake in the photo a sunglow. Others wouldn't; okay. Weebonnilass is quite right; there are stellar animals in every morph, and there are less stellar examples as well. Since sunglow is a selectively bred variant, it will probably keep shifting.
FunkyRes
New member
My line of thinking is that sunglow is a selectively bred morph. If I don't *think* it would qualify as a sunglow were it not for the motley allele then I don't like to call it sunglow.
Of course - judgment calls are judgment calls.
I think sometimes people are too eager to use a selectively bred nomenclature for the sake of getting an extra $10 to $15 on the price tag, which is why I would prefer to be a little more conservative with selectively bred morph names.
Motley as a single gene mutation greatly reduces or eliminates borders and in general brightens colors, thus causing a sunglow like effect in many cases that are not the result of selective breeding.
Of course - judgment calls are judgment calls.
I think sometimes people are too eager to use a selectively bred nomenclature for the sake of getting an extra $10 to $15 on the price tag, which is why I would prefer to be a little more conservative with selectively bred morph names.
Motley as a single gene mutation greatly reduces or eliminates borders and in general brightens colors, thus causing a sunglow like effect in many cases that are not the result of selective breeding.