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Just want to confirm my corn snakes morph

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canicemok

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Hello all. I have 2 corn snakes. I have searched the morphs of my snakes on some websites but still can't confirm which kind is right. I guess my big one is a snow coral corn snake. For the small one, the shop told me it is an anery corn snake. However, I can find some red pigment on it which anery won't have. Therefore, I don't know what kind of morph is my small corn. Hope you guys can help me. Thank you.
 

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The pinky-red one rather looks like a butter, but I'm not 100% certain.

The black and white one is an anery (short for anerythristic)
 
Edit - just realised the pink one is way older than I thought at first glance, so probably not a butter - sorry about that!
 
Where do you see red on the supposed anery? I can't find it in the picture.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to to absolutely confirm the coral snow but it looks like it to me. It is definitely not a butter, young or otherwise.
 
Definitely a coral snow, and if the young one's eyes are silvery it is indeed anery and will probably be more brown as an adult than black and gray.
 
Thank you guys for confirming the coral snow one. For the anery one, it is not pure black but get some brown on it. I don't know some anery corn snakes will look more brown when they grow up. Anyway thank you guys!!
 
hypnoctopus said:
The 'anery' to me looks more like a Miami, but maybe it's just my screen?
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Yes I think so because the black spot on the 'anery' actually looks more red in real sight. It will be sad news if it is a normal miami corn snake since if it is anery, he and my coral snow female can reproduce some F2 offsprings with morphs of Ghost and Snow and Coral Snow.

Lastly, anyone know what will the offsprings look like if miami breed with coral snow? thank you
 
On my screen the 'anery' looks like a really nice miami-phase as well.

Miamis are line-bred normals. So a normal bred to a coral snow will give you normals het anery, amel. The babies will probably not qualify as miami-phase.

And if you got a miami in china, it's probably an LBR-line miami, so a really high quality one.
 
Shiari said:
On my screen the 'anery' looks like a really nice miami-phase as well.

Miamis are line-bred normals. So a normal bred to a coral snow will give you normals het anery, amel. The babies will probably not qualify as miami-phase.
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Why would a Miami het for amel and anery not be considered a Miami? I'm curious because I recently acquired a Miami phase female het for amel. If she's not considered a Miami because of her genes then what would she be called?
 
texsnake said:
Why would a Miami het for amel and anery not be considered a Miami? I'm curious because I recently acquired a Miami phase female het for amel. If she's not considered a Miami because of her genes then what would she be called?
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I think you're misunderstanding Shiari's post. A Miami with hets can still be a Miami. But if the OP bred his (or her) Miami to a coral snow, the babies would not be considered Miamis because one of the parents is not a Miami. The babies would probably just look like regular normals, not Miamis. Miamis are line-bred normals, so in order to get more of them, you have to breed Miami to Miami. It's the same thing with Okeetees and other line-bred normals.

Yours looks like a Miami to me. :)
 
So to get my het Miami you would have to have a normal Miami paired with an amel Miami? If instead one of the parents was an amel classic my corn would just be a classic corn het amel? Am I understanding this correctly?
 
texsnake said:
So to get my het Miami you would have to have a normal Miami paired with an amel Miami? If instead one of the parents was an amel classic my corn would just be a classic corn het amel? Am I understanding this correctly?
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Miami doesn't work like hets, Miami, Okeetee and all that kind of morphs are normals with a certain look. Miami are more greyish with red, while Okeetee have big fat black borders and are more orange/red. If you were to breed these to a corn snake that doesn't show this look it won't show up in the offspring, or a lot less.

For example: Okeetee x Okeetee will give hatchlings with fat black borders and the orange/red colours.
Okeetee x Normal will give hatchlings with normals, maybe with a little thicker black border than normal.

Same goes for Miami.
 
KvanAalten said:
Miami doesn't work like hets, Miami, Okeetee and all that kind of morphs are normals with a certain look. Miami are more greyish with red, while Okeetee have big fat black borders and are more orange/red. If you were to breed these to a corn snake that doesn't show this look it won't show up in the offspring, or a lot less.

For example: Okeetee x Okeetee will give hatchlings with fat black borders and the orange/red colours.
Okeetee x Normal will give hatchlings with normals, maybe with a little thicker black border than normal.

Same goes for Miami.
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I know that Miamis are a wild type. I'm just trying to understand why some Miamis can have hets and still be considered Miami while others would not. Why is my corn considered Miami when she is het amel? Wouldn't one of her parents not be Miami then?
 
texsnake said:
I know that Miamis are a wild type. I'm just trying to understand why some Miamis can have hets and still be considered Miami while others would not. Why is my corn considered Miami when she is het amel? Wouldn't one of her parents not be Miami then?
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At one point a grandparent, or great grandparent, or possibly a great great great great grand parent, was not a Miami, but rather an albino (albino=amel). However, during that lineage/pedigree coming back to present, the breeder bred back to Miamis to keep the Miami look going. The albino gene would still persist, but at the heterozygous level, occasionally cropping back up via either using an unrelated pedigree with similar lineage, or via inbreeding inorder to perpetuate both the Miami and albino traits.
 
HerpsOfNM said:
At one point a grandparent, or great grandparent, or possibly a great great great great grand parent, was not a Miami, but rather an albino (albino=amel). However, during that lineage/pedigree coming back to present, the breeder bred back to Miamis to keep the Miami look going. The albino gene would still persist, but at the heterozygous level, occasionally cropping back up via either using an unrelated pedigree with similar lineage, or via inbreeding inorder to perpetuate both the Miami and albino traits.
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Ahhh, okay that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for making that clear to me.
 
texsnake said:
I know that Miamis are a wild type. I'm just trying to understand why some Miamis can have hets and still be considered Miami while others would not. Why is my corn considered Miami when she is het amel? Wouldn't one of her parents not be Miami then?
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It basically comes down to how they end up looking. When outcrossing, if the babies have more orange in the ground color, and not the Miami grey, then they would be considered Normal/Classic, and not Miami-phase.

Miami's are not "morphs", in the same sense that Amel, Anery, etc are. It's more of a descriptor for coloring. (Unless they are from WC lineage, actual locality.)

Do you have current photos of the male?
 
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