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L. Mexicana "Thayeri"

Kokopelli

Kokopelli

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I have been wanting to breed these for a long while, I am not sure if I will be able to get hold of a "pure" pair here, I hope I will.

I just wanted to know if anyone has any pointers in regards to said sub-species, and what sorts of "morphs" are available, and are they as unpredictable as they seem to be?(Can you really not plan a head what morphs will hatch from a clutch?)
 
http://www.sierraherps.com/
This website is awesome. It takes a while to look at everything there is to see there. Enjoy!
I think a lot of the Lampropeltis Mexicana are integrades, mine are supposed to be greeri but they look a little different from the wild ones on this website. The thayeri are called variable king snakes for a reason, but the variation seemed to be locality specific.. I don't know, just check out the cool website!!!
 
Yeah I know that site, I love it.

It's just that I would really want to get into breeding Mexicana Kingsnakes by all I have is 1 Durango male and a female who is an integrade of some sort... I really don't know what she is...

Male Durango:

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Female...something?

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She is 4 years old, and he is 18 months old. I am hoping to breed them but have no idea what may turn out. I am a little hesitant about this though... I know for a fact that the female is a Mexicana only integrade, question is, is this breeding going too far?
There are very few Mexicana Kingsnakes here, and I would really love to breed them, and make a line out of Mexicana kings... just that the choice is insanely limited.

What's your take on it?
 
I think as long as you don't tell people who purchase offspring it's pure, there is nothing wrong with it. Just label the babies as mexicana integrades. People produce hybrids all the time, everybody's got an opinion on whether it's OK or not. I say go for it! Gorgeous animals BTW...
 
Thank you, I think I will go ahead with it...

I would really prefer to breed animal of the same sub-species, meh.
Well I can only hope that babies will become available at some point and I will buy pairs like mad.
 
I did some investigating, and it seems that this hybrid is a ThayeriXArizona mt. Kingsnake. Do you reckon she might end up being sterile? are these being bred from time to time?

I don't really mind the cost, though she really did cost an arm and a leg... It's just that I really hoped to breed them and it seems like I'd better not.

Thoughts?
 
I'm not sure if she'd be sterile, but if kingsnake X corn crosses can be fertile, why shouldn't your female? I think those two species are more closely related than kings and corns. You can only know if you try. But if you do get slugs I'd be more suspicious of the male. Both of mine are greeri and produced slugs last year, the brumation temps play a big part in this species.
 
It's just an ethical issue for me.
On the one hand I would really love to breed them... but I am afraid to sell them. Simply because I know that those to whom I sell these snakes may end up selling them as "pure" snakes.
I can always say "It's not my fault what they do with the snakes" but it really is just shrugging off responsibility.

I spent around 600$ on this female, specifically for breeding, it really does hurt a bit that I might end up not being able to breed them. To me it's more of an ethical dilemma than anything else.
 
I hear you.... I already told you what I feel, which is that it wouldn't be such a terrible thing. But if it really bothers you don't do it.
If you do breed them and they have babies I want to see lots of pics!! They are both gorgeous.
 
I'll have to think long and hard on this...

On the one hand I see all the Hybrids and think- what if God or creation, or whatever force you wish to associate to this world, intended this: I mean, it is a fact that some crosses are impossible while others are possible. And said crosses tend to blend the best qualities in both species on occasion...

On the one hand, maybe it's just playing God, maybe we're hurting the things we adore out of selfish wants.

Bah, far too much philosophy I know, but what can I say... I really just want to do what is best for my snakes and feel whole with my decisions.
 
I think I will go ahead with the breeding plan.

She might end up being sterile, or produce very few hatchlings so I will be breeding her for personal use...
And I will sell hatchlings, if there are any, only to people who are old enough to understand what they are getting.

I hope it will turn out alright, just a bit bummed about it :awcrap:
 
Well I have considered my options and decided, for the time being, not to mate the two snakes.
However I do have access to a male Kingsnake who shares the same legacy as the hybrid I have. I will feel a deal more comfortable breeding two snakes(the male is a proven breeder) that I know their lineage and that they have no kinks that adding yet another species into the mix.

And from these snakes create a line of some sort. The Term "Megabanded" seems to have been coined here since I have never encountered it before...

Anyways, wish me luck. That male is not cheap either. But worse case, I end up having two amazing snakes that I can show off.
 
Might get some really pretty offspring! You could just be selective as to who will get the hatchlings you don't keep, maybe they could go someone who specializes in hybrids so there'd be no worries about being sold as pure-blood.
 
I don't suppose there is a way you can get the alternative male on a breeding loan? It does sound like a better match for the female if you want to keep that look she has. But then again these snakes have smaller clutches than corns so might not be worth it to you if you want lots of babies from them.
 
The thing is that if I take the male on a loan 50% of the offspring would go to the male's owner. And quite frankly I am quite greedy about Mexicana... and they might end up just being too darn beautiful to give up on.

The male Mexicana I have my eye on... well, he is drop dead Gorgeous in my humble opinion...
Lemme try and find a picture...

here we go, the name below is the name of the keeper who is a good friend of mine:

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now mix him with my female... and you can get all sorts of perrrrties, I feel. And I would love to have this male just for kicks too :)
 
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