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Whatever color this snake turns out to be she is absolutely beautiful. So jealous
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Labeled as 'Black Blood', what is she really?
- Thread starter kirimoth
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gelshark
 
can you get a good pic of the eye? it almost looks like a charcoal eye, i wanna say she looks almost like a darker dilute pewter
There have been some charcoal plasmas out there, maybe she came from a paring that involved those genes and she was mistook for a plasma
she looks similar to the one in this thread - although yours seems darker
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141110
There have been some charcoal plasmas out there, maybe she came from a paring that involved those genes and she was mistook for a plasma
she looks similar to the one in this thread - although yours seems darker
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141110
Summer vacation + cage-cleaning procrastination = long post . . .
I'd have to agree with no lavender involvement. Lavenders always (though to varying degrees) show slight hypomelanism compared to anery and charcoal corns, even when the mutations are in combination (moonstones, charcoal lavenders, etc).
As for dilute--though it seems to affect a different layer of pigmentation than the other hypomelanistic mutations--also generally lightens the snake. John F's dilute pewter (which I know you've also seen in person, Gelshark
) is lighter than she looks in that picture, and doesn't have blacks as dark as this girl shows.
My best guess would be an anery-charcoal blood, due to the lack of neck yellow and dark eyes (charcoal), and the darkness and contrast of her saddle blotches (more characteristic of anery). Gel's definitely right that a good, clear shot of her eye would help.
There's one thing that makes me scratch my head, though . . . I have several snakes I believe to be anery-charcoals (working on testing them), and all of them tend to look more like aneries than charcoals. Little or no neck yellow, but light irises and high-contrast patterns, like aneries. As if, when charcoal and anery are combined, the anery mostly overwrites the charcoal. On this lady, though, the eyes definitely look like charcoal (from what we can see). So . . . :shrugs:
Two other somewhat off-the-wall thoughts: 1) I follow a few other breeders in suspecting there may actually be two allelic forms of anery A, which have slighty different looks. Perhaps that could be part of the confusion? and 2) Your mystery female looks to have a slightly non-standard head shape for a corn. There's always the possibility she has non-corn ancestry. Plenty of large breeders have crossed creamsicles and other hybrids with corn morphs, to get "creamsickos," bloodred creamsicles, cinnamons, lavender creamsicles, etc. So it's not too much of a stretch that she could be the F2 of such a pairing, and that might explain why typical corn mutations look a bit odd on her.
Really, only breeding her will be able to tell you what exactly she's carrying. Regardless, she's a lovely animal! You should be careful showing her off here, though, as people may start trying to talk you out of her.
I'd have to agree with no lavender involvement. Lavenders always (though to varying degrees) show slight hypomelanism compared to anery and charcoal corns, even when the mutations are in combination (moonstones, charcoal lavenders, etc).
As for dilute--though it seems to affect a different layer of pigmentation than the other hypomelanistic mutations--also generally lightens the snake. John F's dilute pewter (which I know you've also seen in person, Gelshark
) is lighter than she looks in that picture, and doesn't have blacks as dark as this girl shows.My best guess would be an anery-charcoal blood, due to the lack of neck yellow and dark eyes (charcoal), and the darkness and contrast of her saddle blotches (more characteristic of anery). Gel's definitely right that a good, clear shot of her eye would help.
There's one thing that makes me scratch my head, though . . . I have several snakes I believe to be anery-charcoals (working on testing them), and all of them tend to look more like aneries than charcoals. Little or no neck yellow, but light irises and high-contrast patterns, like aneries. As if, when charcoal and anery are combined, the anery mostly overwrites the charcoal. On this lady, though, the eyes definitely look like charcoal (from what we can see). So . . . :shrugs:
Two other somewhat off-the-wall thoughts: 1) I follow a few other breeders in suspecting there may actually be two allelic forms of anery A, which have slighty different looks. Perhaps that could be part of the confusion? and 2) Your mystery female looks to have a slightly non-standard head shape for a corn. There's always the possibility she has non-corn ancestry. Plenty of large breeders have crossed creamsicles and other hybrids with corn morphs, to get "creamsickos," bloodred creamsicles, cinnamons, lavender creamsicles, etc. So it's not too much of a stretch that she could be the F2 of such a pairing, and that might explain why typical corn mutations look a bit odd on her.
Really, only breeding her will be able to tell you what exactly she's carrying. Regardless, she's a lovely animal! You should be careful showing her off here, though, as people may start trying to talk you out of her.
Shiari
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crturley: I think (regarding anery-charcoals) that it's going to vary depending on the line... because here's one that I hatched out, contrasted with an anery sibling, and then a picture of hatchling charcoals.
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Thanks, Megan!
It looks as if you're right, and it does depend on the line as to which "look" is dominant. I don't think anyone would question what the charcoal babies in your last shot are, but the anery-charcoal you showed definitely would make me scratch my head and probably guess charcoal (if I had to choose one).
Just seeing their bodies, though (without knowing they're siblings and without being able to see their heads), I'd probably guess that they were both aneries, just from different lines. I've never seen a charcoal with that much contrast that didn't later turn out also to carry anery. If they're out there, someone post a pic, please!
It looks as if you're right, and it does depend on the line as to which "look" is dominant. I don't think anyone would question what the charcoal babies in your last shot are, but the anery-charcoal you showed definitely would make me scratch my head and probably guess charcoal (if I had to choose one).
Just seeing their bodies, though (without knowing they're siblings and without being able to see their heads), I'd probably guess that they were both aneries, just from different lines. I've never seen a charcoal with that much contrast that didn't later turn out also to carry anery. If they're out there, someone post a pic, please!
crturly: Don't mind long posts at all, especially if they have good info! Thanks!
Her eyes are 100 % solid black, here's the best close-up photo I have of them:
And here's a good picture of her head shape
I agree that she's a beauty! I almost talked myself out of buying her (2nd choice was a much less expensive baby Okeetee) but she was unique amongst all the corn snakes they had. She has such a sweet personality, too. Very happy with her as my first snake!
Her eyes are 100 % solid black, here's the best close-up photo I have of them:
And here's a good picture of her head shape
I agree that she's a beauty! I almost talked myself out of buying her (2nd choice was a much less expensive baby Okeetee) but she was unique amongst all the corn snakes they had. She has such a sweet personality, too. Very happy with her as my first snake!
Oh, cool! You're in the Bay Area, too?
I didn't buy her with intentions to breed her, and right now I don't really have the space, but it's a possibility! She's around 3 years old now, how old are corns when they breed?