I'm curious if anyone can provide some info on "Leopard" Motleys... where the line originated, experiences with reproducing that look, etc... Thanks 
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Let's talk about Leopard!
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I'm hoping several people can expand a bit on what info is available here: https://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147058.
Shiari
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The extent of what I know is that someone 'local' to where I am was breeding these motleys and would wholesale the non-keepers to local pet stores and other people, which is why there was one year when like... 3 or 4 people showed up here asking "what's my morph" and they were leopard mots.
Leopard patterning has shown up in motley clutches that do not come from this lineage. Notably, a friend hatched out a baby with a section of leopard from a clutch that produced both pinstripe AND banded snakes, leading to my current pet hypothesis that it is simultaneous expression of those two presentations of motley.
I am pairing my anery leopard motley to my ultramel charcoal motley next year. She has neither banding nor pinstripe, so I do not know how the pattern will be affected, but the entire clutch should be a mix of normal and anery motleys het charcoal and het amel OR ultra.
I got my leopard from a guy who bought him at a local shop but was moving to australia and couldn't take his snake with him. Imagine my shock/glee when I saw I was getting a very high quality (but also very fat) leopard motley for free.
Leopard patterning has shown up in motley clutches that do not come from this lineage. Notably, a friend hatched out a baby with a section of leopard from a clutch that produced both pinstripe AND banded snakes, leading to my current pet hypothesis that it is simultaneous expression of those two presentations of motley.
I am pairing my anery leopard motley to my ultramel charcoal motley next year. She has neither banding nor pinstripe, so I do not know how the pattern will be affected, but the entire clutch should be a mix of normal and anery motleys het charcoal and het amel OR ultra.
I got my leopard from a guy who bought him at a local shop but was moving to australia and couldn't take his snake with him. Imagine my shock/glee when I saw I was getting a very high quality (but also very fat) leopard motley for free.
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Thanks Shiari . I'm curious if any one has any thoughts about whether there is much likelihood that Leopard might trace back to Steve Roylance, and the "Stillman Corn" (https://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82750&highlight=Stillman). The amount of variation I'm seeing, in the few Leopards I've seen photos of (admittedly a small sample size), might suggest otherwise, but supposedly the original Stillman Corn was tested against Motley, so perhaps it creeped in that way. IDK. I suppose if Leopard is popping up from time to time in unrelated lines then that would also argue against Stillman being an influence. I just really wish that Stillman look had been reproducible
. I'm curious if any one has any thoughts about whether there is much likelihood that Leopard might trace back to Steve Roylance, and the "Stillman Corn" (https://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82750&highlight=Stillman). The amount of variation I'm seeing, in the few Leopards I've seen photos of (admittedly a small sample size), might suggest otherwise, but supposedly the original Stillman Corn was tested against Motley, so perhaps it creeped in that way. IDK. I suppose if Leopard is popping up from time to time in unrelated lines then that would also argue against Stillman being an influence. I just really wish that Stillman look had been reproducible 
ghosthousecorns
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Haven't been to this place in a minute but...I just saw this because I came here looking for info on these myself. I have a pair of leopard ghost motleys that I bred and they just started hatching. I think mine were het for stripe too but I am seeing hatchlings with almost normal patterns, leopard split patterns, hourglass patterns and most puzzling of all, 6 or 7 have the weirdest stripe pattern. I am waiting on first sheds to get a better look but here's a couple of quick pics
My snakes came from Cleo's Kingdom colubrids, who got hers from San Diego super show but I am not sure the vendor.
My snakes came from Cleo's Kingdom colubrids, who got hers from San Diego super show but I am not sure the vendor.
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hypnoctopus
Olivia Barron
Ooh they are really cool, Jen!
ghosthousecorns
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I am stumped by the stripey ones... I had to resize the photos for this site. This forum looks weird now
. Been posting more on Insta than anything. BS posts and scammers ruined my FB.
hypnoctopus
Olivia Barron
Yeah, it got an update. I'm liking it now that I'm used to it. There's a thread about it if you want to read. And agreed, Facebook is absolutely awful and does not work like a forum. I'm not on Instagram, but I do post on the MorphMarket community forum as well. It's not corn specific, though, so lots of the content is other species.I am stumped by the stripey ones... I had to resize the photos for this site. This forum looks weird now
ghosthousecorns
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I hated insta for a while but it's a good show your pics site and most of the breeders I follow seem to prfer it nowadays. My profile won't let me edit it I don't live in the same place or have the same job or anything and I guess I am a well known member. I'm like oh?
Those are some seriously interesting babies! Some portions of some individuals look just like a Stripe, some portions look like Pinstripe Motley, some look like Leopard, and a few bits even look sorta like ZigZag/Aztec. I can't wait to see the total amount of variation a few years from now when many more have been produced. Please keep posting photos .
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ghosthousecorns
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If anyone is interested in the results of my clutch you can see on insta, or see them on my Iherp. Sorry the link in my signature does not work and I can't edit that, but this one should. Scroll down to group "2024 hatch- Metronome x Hourglass". entire clutch has been photographed!
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ghosthousecorns
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hypnoctopus
Olivia Barron
Those are nice! That second one especially is exceptional.
Shiari
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Little 215 there is particularly stunning!If anyone is interested in the results of my clutch you can see on insta, or see them on my Iherp. Sorry the link in my signature does not work and I can't edit that, but this one should. Scroll down to group "2024 hatch- Metronome x Hourglass". entire clutch has been photographed!
ghosthousecorns
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Thank you! if you mean the second one of first post- squiggly thing- 3 days after the rest of the clutch was out, I cut the remaining eggs- well, he was the last to hatch alive, and out of 17 eggs, was # 15. The other two one DIE and one sorta hatched and promptly flopped out of its egg and croaked. So he is behind the others and hasn't shed yet. With the pattern he would be a keeper anyway...I'm worried it will be "special needs snake" though lol
If you mean the stripe on second post- yea it might be a keeper too
ghosthousecorns
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I now have some of these available on Find your reptile
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Ghost House Corn Snakes
I have been breeding corn snakes since about 2004 and I specialize in ghost morphs.
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Shiari
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Today on "this is not what I expected" from breeding my anery leopard motley to my ultramel charcoal motley... (later I get to play the fun game of 'is that hypo or is that ultramel?')
