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Medical Marijuana - Welcome to the club Washington DC

Just because some people will abuse something does not mean that it should be illegal. If the possibility of abuse should make it illegal, then alcohol, medicaid, tobacco, cars, cough syrup, forums, kittens, plastic surgery, porn, skate boards, scuba diving... and pretty much every other fun thing in the world should be illegal.
People abuse things. I'm sure some people will abuse legalized marijuana. But most people either have a medical condition which makes marijuana the best choice of treatment, or they simply want to be an adult human being in the united states of america and smoke a little bit of that magnificent plant.
Seriously. Marijuana is truly an extremely helpful plant. It's insane that it's illegal in the first place. I can't wait for it to be universally legal - not only so I can smoke some out on the street or to help with my fibromyalgia or polycystic ovarian syndrome (i really have both), but also for it's use in food, fuel, and fiber.
In the words of peter tosh: "legalize it, and i will advertise it"

:D
 
I agree salvadorian, it can be extremely helpful. But if abused, it can be extremely harmful. I think the recreational use should be illegal, not the medicinal use.
 
I heard tyflier mention that it caused depression, and I figured that since he was so well read in the subject that he's know. *shrugs*
You never heard nor read this coming from me.

Who cares if you hurt yourself? Your family, your friends, your neighbors, heck sometimes even strangers! Don't jump to the conclusion that just because the government regulates ONE thing that it will regulate EVERYTHING.
Unfortunately, it chooses to regulate the harmless substance and legalize the killers. Funny how that works...

"Lots of people in this country drink but would NEVER drink and drive it isn't right to make alcohol illegal just because someone will, deal with the someone who drinks and drives and leave the people who are minding their business and being responsible alone."

Ok, this, I think alot of people will disagree with you on. including me. http://www.freelegaladvicehelp.com/...People-Die-Every-Year-From-Drunk-Driving.html says: "According to the statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 40 percent of total traffic deaths are due to drunk driving. In 2006, an estimated 17,941 people died due to alcohol-related vehicle accidents."

That's not a small number. Those people died because either they drank and drive or someone ELSE drank and drove. People left and right are getting addicted to it and slowly killing themselves and their relationships with other people. It's disgusting and needs to be banned. Don't even try to defend alcohol.
No, it doesn't need to be banned. People need to learn how to control themselves. No defense is needed, as it is already quite legal.

You want proof? Ok, since you randomly discredited my links without even telling me why, here you go.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/18/marijuana.cancer/
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001143.htm
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Marijuana

As for your norml links to opposition, among those were a christian web site and SCIENTOLOGY web site... not exactly experts on pot.
There is no data in these sites. That is why they must be a joke. Someone's opinion of what they thikn *might* happen if someone smokes a joint doesn't interest me as evidence of anything. Read the research links I gave you. There is actual, scientific data in them. Just because the data cannot be found on the opposition side, doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. The fact that there doesn't seem to BE a whole lot of data to support your claims should tell you something.
 
Vicki- what is it you think that happens to a person who "abuses" marijuana? What is abuse anyway? Unlike alcohol and other drugs if you smoke too much marijuana for a period of time it becomes almost impossible to get high anymore- I know from experience;) In order to receive the effects of getting high you can't smoke all day every day, or you don't get high negating the real possibility of abuse.
 
I agree salvadorian, it can be extremely helpful. But if abused, it can be extremely harmful. I think the recreational use should be illegal, not the medicinal use.

Define "abuse". And then show me the statistics that allow you such liberties to state that marijuana can be "extremely harmful if abused". This is a broad statement with absolutely NO physical documentation to support.

Let me guess...."extremely harmful" means you become lazy, and you no longer care about what is going on around you. You sit in your house, bothering no one, going nowhere, smoking your bong and watching Spongebob Squarepants, eating a whole bag of Doritos and a half-gallon of ice cream.

Or perhaps "extremely harmful" means you start making multi-platinum records, make multi-millions in record sales, go on to start your own clothing line(which also grosses into the multi-millions per year), and become among the top ten musical artists in the world.

Or just maybe "extremely harmful" means you pick up a paintbrush, or camera, or graphics tablet and computer, and you become a world-reknowned visual artist or graphic designer.

Why don't you tell me what these "extremely harmful" side effects are. You know...the ones that follow you for the rest of your life, and make your life a living hell, all because you smoked a joint.

Don't forget to support your myths with scientific data!
 
Or perhaps "extremely harmful" means you start making multi-platinum records, make multi-millions in record sales, go on to start your own clothing line(which also grosses into the multi-millions per year), and become among the top ten musical artists in the world.

This requires Cocaine, you are getting your substances mixed up. :nyah:
 
So the Surgeon General is just making things up out of the blue then? So is the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the Journal of the National Cancer Institute?

Alright, since you keep discrediting my sources, I'll just up and say all of yours are crap. That norml site is biased and unprofessional.

I've already told you what the negative side effects from prolonged usage of marijuana is, and , since you don't seem to listen, here is the link to the STUDY on how it causes cancer again.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/18/marijuana.cancer/

Heavy use, a.k.a abuse is defined on that link. The test subjects used had to smoke 10 or more joints a week to be included in the study. If you actually read that article, you'd know that.

NOW who's ignoring the facts? I've given you several sources telling you that it can cause cancer, heart problems, impaired lung function, birth defects, a low sperm count, and an impaired immune response, yet you STILL tell me it's harmless! You are clearly refusing to acknowledge that it CAN BE HARMFUL. Why can't you admit that? I'm admitting that it can be useful and even great! But only when used in MODERATION and for a REASON.

"There is no permanent psychosis, depression, or violent tendencies from marijuana."

^ This implies that there IS TEMPORARY psychosis, depression, and violent tendencies from marijuana. If that's not what you meant to imply, you should have been more clear.
 
Vicky, i don't agree with everything you have said but I do with some of it. There comes a point in discussions when it is best to just walk away. The easiest debate tactic to employ is to say well you facts don't count and mine are the only correct facts. When you get to that point providing more facts is no longer effective. Sometimes it is best to just let some people think what they will, it's no skin off your nose if they go through life believing in fantasy.
 
@chuk, that's a little unfair. Vicki is allowed to have opinions too. I think this has really come down to 2 competing views of how we should organize US life -- adults can choose to do many things, including things that may not be good for them (MJ, cheeseburgers, being overweight, having sex, working in a coal mine) VS the government should prevent adults from doing things that may not be good for them (MJ, maybe cheeseburgers, maybe being overweight, maybe having sex, maybe working in coal mines). Neither side can "win" because they are rooted in 2 competing philosophies, and it's not really about MJ any more, but about maximum choice vs maximum safety.

Of course, YMMV, and so may everyone else's.
 
So the Surgeon General is just making things up out of the blue then? So is the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the Journal of the National Cancer Institute?
The links you provided showed no statistical evidence. They didn't even referance specific studies. They made broad based accusations about "drugs", and occasionally threw the word marijuana in there to make it relevant. That is not evidence, it's propoganda. Big difference.

Alright, since you keep discrediting my sources, I'll just up and say all of yours are crap. That norml site is biased and unprofessional.
Really? Crap? When you click on the links, they take you to the actual papers, written by scientists, with referances to OTHER studies done. They list the theories to be tested, the methodology, the test subject history, and all relevant information, than discuss the course of the testing and the results.

Of course, you would have actually had to click on and read through the links to know this.

Someone else shared a very informative page with a HUGE variety of links to scientific documents that showed the effects of marijuana on the body. I guess you didn't read those links either. As I recall, you were given 3 very professional, very scientific, and very well documented resources from which to choose. I guess propoganda wins over data, in your world...

I've already told you what the negative side effects from prolonged usage of marijuana is, and , since you don't seem to listen, here is the link to the STUDY on how it causes cancer again.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/18/marijuana.cancer/
Right...cancer. Of course. Smoking anything will give you cancer. This is because it is the smoke that is carcinogenic, not the pot. Since you don't seem to be able to read, I will say it again...

There are a multitude of ways in which to introduce marijuana into the body without burning it. These manners of use do not cause cancer. period.

Heavy use, a.k.a abuse is defined on that link. The test subjects used had to smoke 10 or more joints a week to be included in the study. If you actually read that article, you'd know that.
I read the article. It discussed smoking. And for the umpteenth time, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMOKE IT!! IF YOU DON'T SMOKE IT< IT IS NOT CARCINOGENIC!!

NOW who's ignoring the facts? I've given you several sources telling you that it can cause cancer, heart problems, impaired lung function, birth defects, a low sperm count, and an impaired immune response, yet you STILL tell me it's harmless!
You have not shown me a single documented research paper of any kind. You have shown me no statistical data. You have not shown me any hypothesis nor method of findings, and you have not shown me any results. What you have shown me are interpretations of results. As we all know, data can show whatever we want. It's easy to say "smoking pot causes cancer" while ignoring the ways that using marijuana does NOT cause cancer. It's easy to say you can be addicted when you ignore the clinical definition of addiction.

In other words, it's easy to interpret data to fit your opinions, and write a synopsis of your opinions, rather than to read an actual study and see what the conculsion themselves are.

You are clearly refusing to acknowledge that it CAN BE HARMFUL. Why can't you admit that? I'm admitting that it can be useful and even great! But only when used in MODERATION and for a REASON.
Because you haven't shown me any documentation of the harm caused by marijuana by itself. You say cancer. I say don't smoke. You say paranoia. I say only for the wrong person or in the wrong place. You say depression. I say happy-happy-joy-joy. You say addiction, I say baloney.

If mariuana is "extremely harmful", as you have claimed over and over again in this topic, I want to see the empirical data that shows this. I want a link to the actual study, not some reporter's or politician's interpretation of the data. Show me what the researchers discovered, not what the politicians want you to think they discovered...

"There is no permanent psychosis, depression, or violent tendencies from marijuana."

^ This implies that there IS TEMPORARY psychosis, depression, and violent tendencies from marijuana. If that's not what you meant to imply, you should have been more clear.

It's not for everyone. Some people don't like it, and like just about every substance on this planet, some people will have a bad reaction to it. If you smoke too much, too often, there is a possibility that you will have a negative reaction. This reaction is almost always temporary, and never life threatening. So what's the big deal?

People have fatal and permanent reactions and side effects to countless approved medicines. People can die after eating their first peanut. Having a minor and temporary negative reaction to a substance in a very small percentage of the population is not grounds to make it an illegal and controlled substance. Otherwise peanuts, shellfish, coffee, many types of flowering plants, certain types of syrups, and milk would all be controlled substances...
 
Vicky, i don't agree with everything you have said but I do with some of it. There comes a point in discussions when it is best to just walk away. The easiest debate tactic to employ is to say well you facts don't count and mine are the only correct facts. When you get to that point providing more facts is no longer effective. Sometimes it is best to just let some people think what they will, it's no skin off your nose if they go through life believing in fantasy.

This is absolutely true. Vicky and Teddy are more than welcome to continue believing in the fallacies they are spouting. They are perfectly welcome to ignore the factual data provided by myself and several other participants in this topic in favor of their myths, and it really is no skin off of my nose.

Of course, you, them, and millions of others would do very well to research the documentation for yourselves, and form your own informed opinion, rather than regurgitating the opinions of politicians and reporters.

I thought you were not getting involved in this topic? You just can't stand it, can you...:nyah:
 
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