MIAMI TESSERA !! (highly anticipated clutch)

[Walter Smith]

WOW, loving those "Jewels". Very nice indeed!

Thanks Stacy !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[Kris13]

Everyone seems to love the lighter colored corns, but I'm into the darker ones. So I love, love the Miami Tesseras, and especially the one that has spots instead of one long stripe down the back. A particularly beautiful snake. I wish my husband liked snakes more, so i could have a pack of them. (g)
kris s

 

[Walter Smith]

Everyone seems to love the lighter colored corns, but I'm into the darker ones. So I love, love the Miami Tesseras, and especially the one that has spots instead of one long stripe down the back. A particularly beautiful snake. I wish my husband liked snakes more, so i could have a pack of them. (g)
kris s

Thanks Kris !!

That's the great thing about our hobby, everyone has their own prefrence to what they like and corn snakes pretty much cover all of them.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[MysticExotics]

What is your sex ratio on this clutch? I only ended up with a few males, overall, only one Tessera appears to be male in my Miami Tessera clutch.

 

[Walter Smith]

What is your sex ratio on this clutch? I only ended up with a few males, overall, only one Tessera appears to be male in my Miami Tessera clutch.

Ah, I'm not sure on the exact clutch ratio due to wholesaling the Miami corns in the clutch.
I only kept back the Candycanes, Miami Tesseras & Candycane Tesseras, but between what I held onto, I have a 5.11 ratio

I didn't check the what the Miami corns were.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[MysticExotics]

Walter, I noticed that you have the female Miami Tessera that you got from me listed as het for CandyCane on your website, and it got me thinking (about Amel vs Candycane).

I see a hint of orange in the dorsal pattern of the Amel babies you have pictured, and I was wondering if you have produced Miami line Amels before, and if they came out more CandyCane looking because of the Miami phase dam. (I'm wondering how much more prominant that orange might become on these babies).
I have never had any CandyCane morphs, but it would make sense that Maimi phase would be the best to use to produce them.

You are holding some back, correct? Are you going to continue working towards more of the actual red and white (CandyCane) Tessera's?
I'd like to see progression pics of the Amel babies, to see if/how much orange they might develop from normal Amel.

They look like they might develop more orange, but not quite as much as a normal Amel, but it would be fun to continue selectively breeding for more of the actual red and white coloring in the Tessera's.
I will be testing my male, brother to your female, for Amel next season, and it would be a fun project to work on.

 

[Walter Smith]

Walter, I noticed that you have the female Miami Tessera that you got from me listed as het for CandyCane on your website, and it got me thinking (about Amel vs Candycane).

I see a hint of orange in the dorsal pattern of the Amel babies you have pictured, and I was wondering if you have produced Miami line Amels before, and if they came out more CandyCane looking because of the Miami phase dam. (I'm wondering how much more prominant that orange might become on these babies).
I have never had any CandyCane morphs, but it would make sense that Maimi phase would be the best to use to produce them.

You are holding some back, correct? Are you going to continue working towards more of the actual red and white (CandyCane) Tessera's?
I'd like to see progression pics of the Amel babies, to see if/how much orange they might develop from normal Amel.

They look like they might develop more orange, but not quite as much as a normal Amel, but it would be fun to continue selectively breeding for more of the actual red and white coloring in the Tessera's.
I will be testing my male, brother to your female, for Amel next season, and it would be a fun project to work on.

Yes, she is listed as het Candycane simply because she is a Miami. Candycane is just basically a Amel version of Miami Phase.

My Sire Candycane had that little bit of orange in the neck region as a hatchling like some of these, but you can plainly see, he is a nice example of Red/White Candycane.

Of course selective breeding will get them to a redder/whiter target. The two (1.1) Candycanes that are listed "ON HOLD" may be staying here as well.
That's why I have them listed as such. Still trying to make that decision.

Yes, I plan to continue the CC Tesseras and even try to refine them even more, however these are already awesome in person. I also have another couple projects I will be doing with them that should be quite striking as well.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[MysticExotics]

Yes, she is listed as het Candycane simply because she is a Miami. Candycane is just basically a Amel version of Miami Phase.

My Sire Candycane had that little bit of orange in the neck region as a hatchling like some of these, but you can plainly see, he is a nice example of Red/White Candycane.

Of course selective breeding will get them to a redder/whiter target. The two (1.1) Candycanes that are listed "ON HOLD" may be staying here as well.
That's why I have them listed as such. Still trying to make that decision.

Yes, I plan to continue the CC Tesseras and even try to refine them even more, however these are already awesome in person. I also have another couple projects I will be doing with them that should be quite striking as well.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

I was just curious, because I've never seen other Miami's listed as CC hets, only Amel, so I was thinking maybe more refining was necessary on some to get the red/white look.

It's not something I had considered before, but knowing that one of the siblings to my male proved het Amel, it gives me some added projects to work towards.

I have the ingredients, among others, this is going to be fun!
I think that the added cirpsness that Brokk has is really going to help with that.

 

[Walter Smith]

I was just curious, because I've never seen other Miami's listed as CC hets, only Amel

Actually, both ways are correct. As mentioned I refer to her being het CC simply bacause she is a Miami Phase,
in which a CC is the Amel version of a Mimai.....Candycane is synonomous to Miami

Just as saying Caramel het Butter is the same as saying Caramel het Amel.......a Butter is the Amel version of a Caramel,

and again saying Lavender het Opal is the same as saying Lavender het Amel......a Opal is the Amel version of a Lavender,

and also saying Rootbeer het Creamsicle is the same as saying Rootbeer het Amel.....a Creamsicle is the Amel version of a Rootbeer.

In all reality,
Candycane, Butter, Opal, Creamsicle, Peppermint, Buttermint.....they are ALL Amels, just in a different color phase.

ALL Candycanes ARE Amel, but not ALL Amels are Candycanes,
ALL Butters ARE Amel, but not ALL Amels are Butter.....and so on.

Depending on if you want to say:

Lavender het Opal OR Lavender het Amel...........they both mean the exact same thing........Tomato / Tamato

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[DuxorW]

I prefer "lavender het amel" because organisms are heterozygous for alleles, not phenotypes. It works for a single gene since the mutant allele and the phenotype have the same name. But since there is no locus or allele named opal, it should technically be lavender het amel. Thus "normal het opal" should be "het lavender het amel" although I know that sounds more cumbersome!

But in practical terms I understand labeling a miami het amel as het CC since you want buyers to know that the amel offspring will be amel miami aka candycanes.

 

[Walter Smith]

I prefer "lavender het amel" because organisms are heterozygous for alleles, not phenotypes. It works for a single gene since the mutant allele and the phenotype have the same name. But since there is no locus or allele named opal, it should technically be lavender het amel. Thus "normal het opal" should be "het lavender het amel" although I know that sounds more cumbersome!

But in practical terms I understand labeling a miami het amel as het CC since you want buyers to know that the amel offspring will be amel miami aka candycanes.

Yeah, there are the "politically/scientifically correct" terms and those who rather use them that way and to each his own. That's what makes us all individuals
However, wether I see a lable "Lavender het Opal" OR "Lavender het Amel" I know what that snakes is Phenotypically AND Genotypically going by either lable.

This is exactly correct and why I labled them as het Candycane.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[DuxorW]

When I see a single ad that has something like "caramel het butter" and "normal het butter" in the same listing that's when my eye starts twitching, lol! Because het butter means two different things in the same listing. One "het butter" means het amel and the other "het butter" means het caramel amel!

 

[DuxorW]

(In the post above the two snakes would be siblings or something, but I once did see an ad on kingsnake once where someone was advertising a snake as butter het caramel!)

 

[Walter Smith]

When I see a single ad that has something like "caramel het butter" and "normal het butter" in the same listing that's when my eye starts twitching, lol! Because het butter means two different things in the same listing. One "het butter" means het amel and the other "het butter" means het caramel amel!

See, but you do actually know what both lablings mean by reading it either way

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[Walter Smith]

I once did see an ad on kingsnake once where someone was advertising a snake as butter het caramel!)

LOL.......now that's funny and probably from someone who does not fully understand simple genetics.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[DuxorW]

Lol yes you are absolutely right. I think that the realities of selling animals allows for some rule-bending, especially with all the trade names that don't necessarily give you genotypic info.

But with the "butter het caramel" I just couldn't resist contacting the seller, lol. I try to do my best to never sound like a condescending jerk so I just asked them if there was a typo and if it was really het for something else like hypo. But they reassured me it was butter het caramel, lol! I just left it at that!

 

[DuxorW]

If I bred a pair butter het caramels would I only get half butters?

 

[Walter Smith]

Lol yes you are absolutely right. I think that the realities of selling animals allows for some rule-bending, especially with all the trade names that don't necessarily give you genotypic info.

But with the "butter het caramel" I just couldn't resist contacting the seller, lol. I try to do my best to never sound like a condescending jerk so I just asked them if there was a typo and if it was really het for something else like hypo. But they reassured me it was butter het caramel, lol! I just left it at that!

LOL !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[Walter Smith]

If I bred a pair butter het caramels would I only get half butters?

No, you would get all AMEL CARAMELS :uhoh:.....:laugh:

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[DuxorW]

No I'd get 1/4 caramel butters.