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Min-Pin X Pitbull?
- Thread starter Clint Boyer
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Chip
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unwanted pets...
Yep, there are tens of thousands. Somehow, though, the arguement that no one should breed anymore dogs (until the unwanted ones all find homes)sounds like complete insanity to me. I paid $1,200 for this puppy. She's purebred and exactly the type dog my girlfriend and I wanted (We wanted an active, althletic, fearless, stoic female bully-breed guard dog in the 80 pound range). It is unlikely that I would have ever taken a dog from the pound. Nothing against mixed breed dogs; some are both beautiful and tractable. And sounds like Clint's all found good homes. Bravo, Clint! :cheers:
Yep, there are tens of thousands. Somehow, though, the arguement that no one should breed anymore dogs (until the unwanted ones all find homes)sounds like complete insanity to me. I paid $1,200 for this puppy. She's purebred and exactly the type dog my girlfriend and I wanted (We wanted an active, althletic, fearless, stoic female bully-breed guard dog in the 80 pound range). It is unlikely that I would have ever taken a dog from the pound. Nothing against mixed breed dogs; some are both beautiful and tractable. And sounds like Clint's all found good homes. Bravo, Clint! :cheers:
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larryg
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I am a Doberman breeder (on a very limited basis, like one litter every 2 or 3 years.) I just wanted to add a couple of things...
First, Min-Pins are Miniature German Pinschers, instead of Miniature Dobermans. They are related, since Pinshcers are one of the breeds used to create the Doberman, but not that closely related.
Hopefully you will take back any of these puppies at any point in their lives, if they need to be rehomed for any reason. That's really what separates the 'responsible' breeders from those that are just selling puppies (even though you probably gave yours away.)
Whenever dogs are bred, people should be aware of issues related to structure, temperament, and health. If the dogs are not 'sound' in all 3 areas, they should not be bred. Anyone buying a dog should look for proof of health and probably temperament testing, depending on the breed. For instance, the parents of my Doberman litter had their hips x-rayed (OFAd), thyroid and liver tests, vwd/bleeding disorder test, heart test, etc. They've also both taken two different temperament tests. There's a lot more to breeding dogs than just getting two Dobermans or two Poodles or whatever and breeding them. Obviously don't EVER buy a dog from a pet shop or puppy mill/irresponsible breeder. In general, the quality animals produced by responsible, ethical breeders are not the same ones populating the local shelters. It is hard on a female dog to have and raise a litter of puppies, and no ethical breeders breed more than once per year or usually 3 litters in a lifetime (and not before 2 years of age at least.)
1.3 Dobermans (1 female is spayed)
First, Min-Pins are Miniature German Pinschers, instead of Miniature Dobermans. They are related, since Pinshcers are one of the breeds used to create the Doberman, but not that closely related.
Hopefully you will take back any of these puppies at any point in their lives, if they need to be rehomed for any reason. That's really what separates the 'responsible' breeders from those that are just selling puppies (even though you probably gave yours away.)
Whenever dogs are bred, people should be aware of issues related to structure, temperament, and health. If the dogs are not 'sound' in all 3 areas, they should not be bred. Anyone buying a dog should look for proof of health and probably temperament testing, depending on the breed. For instance, the parents of my Doberman litter had their hips x-rayed (OFAd), thyroid and liver tests, vwd/bleeding disorder test, heart test, etc. They've also both taken two different temperament tests. There's a lot more to breeding dogs than just getting two Dobermans or two Poodles or whatever and breeding them. Obviously don't EVER buy a dog from a pet shop or puppy mill/irresponsible breeder. In general, the quality animals produced by responsible, ethical breeders are not the same ones populating the local shelters. It is hard on a female dog to have and raise a litter of puppies, and no ethical breeders breed more than once per year or usually 3 litters in a lifetime (and not before 2 years of age at least.)
1.3 Dobermans (1 female is spayed)
Serpwidgets
New member
I think the question is better phrased as "raise your hand if you had kids knowing full well that your fellow citizens would be held responsible for supporting them."
mrweaw
Branching out into geckos
MegF. said:
On top of the fact that some people are getting rather violent here...you are missing my point. Your views on people having children they can't afford aren't the issue. I agree, if you can't afford children then don't have them. My plea is not for support of the irresponsible parents...but for the sick and starving children. You can't doom them just to spite the people who brought them into this world. I am simply suggesting that if someone is looking for a good cause to become involved with there are lots of them out there that are more important than Clint's Mini Pin getting some action.
lisa127
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larryg said:I am a Doberman breeder (on a very limited basis, like one litter every 2 or 3 years.) I just wanted to add a couple of things...
First, Min-Pins are Miniature German Pinschers, instead of Miniature Dobermans. They are related, since Pinshcers are one of the breeds used to create the Doberman, but not that closely related.
Hopefully you will take back any of these puppies at any point in their lives, if they need to be rehomed for any reason. That's really what separates the 'responsible' breeders from those that are just selling puppies (even though you probably gave yours away.)
Whenever dogs are bred, people should be aware of issues related to structure, temperament, and health. If the dogs are not 'sound' in all 3 areas, they should not be bred. Anyone buying a dog should look for proof of health and probably temperament testing, depending on the breed. For instance, the parents of my Doberman litter had their hips x-rayed (OFAd), thyroid and liver tests, vwd/bleeding disorder test, heart test, etc. They've also both taken two different temperament tests. There's a lot more to breeding dogs than just getting two Dobermans or two Poodles or whatever and breeding them. Obviously don't EVER buy a dog from a pet shop or puppy mill/irresponsible breeder. In general, the quality animals produced by responsible, ethical breeders are not the same ones populating the local shelters. It is hard on a female dog to have and raise a litter of puppies, and no ethical breeders breed more than once per year or usually 3 litters in a lifetime (and not before 2 years of age at least.)
1.3 Dobermans (1 female is spayed)
I'm in total agreement with you. Only the very few responsible breeders out there should be breeding dogs. Other than that, no breeding. It's just making the problem worse. Too many dogs, not enough homes. I'm glad all Clint's pups found homes. But for every person who took one of Clint's free pups, a puppy in a shelter could have been given a home. That's why everyone should have their dogs spayed/neutered!! I realize there are problems with the humans in the world. I do care about the human children that are suffering. But that doesn't mean I can't care about the dogs also. Some of us have to. For all the people that volunteer in shelters for humans, great ! I'll continue to volunteer in the animals shelters. I adore dogs, without apology.
Serpwidgets
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This is fallacious reasoning. It assumes that anyone who took one of Clint's dogs would have gotten a dog from a shelter instead. This is simply not true. If those people had wanted a dog from a shelter, they would have gotten one. They didn't. No puppies in shelters were denied a home they otherwise would have had.lisa127 said:
Shep151
Too busy to hang out.
It's not those who have "made a mistake" or happened across some bad luck that I don't want to give a hand. I don't mind helping those who don't take inappropriate advantage of it. It's those like the pregnant woman I overheard at a used car dealership a few years ago in San Diego: "I'm one baby away from being able to afford that one!"
And, "just curious", how many people in this day and age DON'T have access to free birth control at a Planned Parenthood or similar clinic?
Chip
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I see where you're going with this one. If only Clint's Min-Pin couldv'e shown a little restraint and better judgement, there would be eight less puppies in shelters right now! It's not really a morality issue, you know. I petitioned my puppy kindergarten to pass out condoms to prevent just this kind of thing from happening. These young animals need to be shown how to please themselves or just hump legs. That would keep all this madness from happening.
But once it's happened, the female animal should have the choice to determine whether or not she is ready for the responsibility of whelping a litter and nursing for eight long weeks. Oh, if only Kerry had been elected!!!
But once it's happened, the female animal should have the choice to determine whether or not she is ready for the responsibility of whelping a litter and nursing for eight long weeks. Oh, if only Kerry had been elected!!!
I agree wholeheartedly!Shep151 said:It's not those who have "made a mistake" or happened across some bad luck that I don't want to give a hand. I don't mind helping those who don't take inappropriate advantage of it. It's those like the pregnant woman I overheard at a used car dealership a few years ago in San Diego: "I'm one baby away from being able to afford that one!"
And, "just curious", how many people in this day and age DON'T have access to free birth control at a Planned Parenthood or similar clinic?
Thanks for clearing that up, it's so hard to catch a persons tone from writing sometimes. :cheers:
just a little FYI - I was using birth control from a local health department when I became pregnant.
mrweaw
Branching out into geckos
That makes two of us who had that experience with birth control. Funny how that seems to happen isn't it? Was it life altering for the better?
My son is now almost six and I know in my heart he was born for a reason. He has changed my life. I started college when I was pregnant and am going to graduate with 2 Batchelor of Science degrees in 2 weeks. I then plan to go to graduate school next year. My son and I have both used government funded medical insurance because I could never have afforded all the surgeries he has had on my own. I work really hard going to school full time, being a full time single parent, and working as much as I can. I do not feel guilty about the assistance I have received because I know that I will give back as much as I have received, if not more, by the end of my life.
My son is now almost six and I know in my heart he was born for a reason. He has changed my life. I started college when I was pregnant and am going to graduate with 2 Batchelor of Science degrees in 2 weeks. I then plan to go to graduate school next year. My son and I have both used government funded medical insurance because I could never have afforded all the surgeries he has had on my own. I work really hard going to school full time, being a full time single parent, and working as much as I can. I do not feel guilty about the assistance I have received because I know that I will give back as much as I have received, if not more, by the end of my life.
Shep151
Too busy to hang out.
Yeah, unfortunately nothing and no-one's perfect. Thus the necessity of such a hotly debated program! I'm glad we're not arguing, BTW
Also, in light of the fact that it looks like El Rojo mistook my argument to be in support of the posts I've been laughing at, I'm going to stop posting my off-topic arguements, and unsubscribe from the thread!
You guys have fun with this one!
Clint: I wish I could have gotten hold of my bro! I'm sure he's gonna kick himself for missing out on your beautiful pups!
Chip
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Shep151 said:Also, in light of the fact that it looks like El Rojo mistook my argument to be in support of the posts I've been laughing at, I'm going to stop posting my off-topic arguements, and unsubscribe from the thread!
You guys have fun with this one!
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I think I got it... What I'm really stoked about is getting my hands on some mixed breeds het for min-pin, though!
larryg
New member
I'm not passing judgment on whether he should have allowed the dogs to breed or not. If they are healthy dogs with good character/personality, then it may not be a bad thing. I have never seen the parents so I have no idea. I personally would not have bred them together, but different people like different types of dogs.lisa127 said:
He should be willing to take back a dog if it's not working out for whatever reason. Homes can seem 'good' at first, but you don't always know for sure. Just because a dog has been placed into a home does not mean the breeder's responsibility ends. That's all I'm saying.
Speaking of the parents...
Hey Clint,
Any chance of posting a pic of the parents? Curious to see what two critters had such cute puppies. I myself have a rat terrier / chihuahua mix and she is adorable.
Thanks,
Casey
P.S. I would have loved to get my hands on a het min-pin as well
Hey Clint,
Any chance of posting a pic of the parents? Curious to see what two critters had such cute puppies. I myself have a rat terrier / chihuahua mix and she is adorable.
Thanks,
Casey
P.S. I would have loved to get my hands on a het min-pin as well
Clint Boyer
'Former' Snake slave
Here's an old pic, daddy's in the background.
