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Morph Help

disgurlchar

disgurlchar

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Hi Guys,

Since having babies in January I've wondered about the different morphs and terminology.

I tried reading the stickys but still couldn't really understand them haha!

For example, we bred a carolina (aka normal right?) with a snow and produced 11 eggs (some died) 1 was a snow, 2 were normal (without red, just brown and orange) and 1 was an amel (terracotta colour). One of the snakes that didn't hatch also was found to be a carolina (with red).

So this "het" that people go on about, in this case would it be the amel? Because it has colours from both snakes? I can understand when I read this back that I make no sense whatsoever, but if there is somebody who is as dumb as me that could explain this to me then it would be appreciated :D

In the future I'd love to know what sort of snakes I could expect from the types I have now.
 
Snow = amel + anery. Since you got a snow from your breeding then that means that your Normal (Carolina / Classic) is het amel and anery. Your normals from that clutch would automatically be het for amel and anery since one of the parents was a snow (amel + anery). The amel from that clutch would be automatically het for anery.

Here is a great link to help you understand the terminology and genetics behind the various morphs: http://www.serpwidgets.com/main/genetics07
 
Buzzard said:
Snow = amel + anery. Since you got a snow from your breeding then that means that your Normal (Carolina / Classic) is het amel and anery. Your normals from that clutch would automatically be het for amel and anery since one of the parents was a snow (amel + anery). The amel from that clutch would be automatically het for anery.

Here is a great link to help you understand the terminology and genetics behind the various morphs: http://www.serpwidgets.com/main/genetics07
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So if in 4 years time we bred one of the normals with one of the amels, would we most likely get pure anery's? or at least with the black and silver look?

And out of what I have, which pair would give the most unusual colours do you think?

Thanks for your help by the way, took me about 20 mins and 4 reads to get my head around what you said!
 
oooo I think I understand from the link you gave me.

My understanding is that my snow corn can only pass one gene through to his kids, in this case he's passed through the amel, which means that any amels I get will still have the anery gene but wont show it? so If I was to bred the amel which my snow gave me then I could produce anerys?

ahh wait, so if my female corn (carolina/normal) that laid is het amel & anery does that mean she came from a clutch of an Amel and an Anery? How would that work as there isn't any red?

maybe im not getting this after all :(
 
Yes. If you give us pictures, we can confirm the morphs for you.

I'm unsure what you meant by this sentence as well:

" so if my female corn (carolina/normal) that laid is het amel & anery does that mean she came from a clutch of an Amel and an Anery? How would that work as there isn't any red?"

Who doesn't have any red? Orange is considered on the 'red' spectrum.
 
Shiari said:
Yes. If you give us pictures, we can confirm the morphs for you.

I'm unsure what you meant by this sentence as well:

" so if my female corn (carolina/normal) that laid is het amel & anery does that mean she came from a clutch of an Amel and an Anery? How would that work as there isn't any red?"

Who doesn't have any red? Orange is considered on the 'red' spectrum.
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up above, they said that my adult female was het amel and anery? so what pair of snakes do you think she came from? To be honest I dont know what I mean, done 8 hours of work and now im tryna figure this out, its not great haha! But I guess I mean that if an Amel and an Anery mated, they wouldnt make a carolina would they? But after reading through the link above I guess anything is possible!
 
disgurlchar said:
Will try these thank you!

Im starting to get the whole A is normal a is amel an together Aa would be normal het for amel because the normal gene is the dominent one?
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Pretty close. Normal occurs when there are no other genes with two copies to be expressed.
 
disgurlchar said:
But I guess I mean that if an Amel and an Anery mated, they wouldnt make a carolina would they?
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Sure they would!

We'll keep hets out of this for the moment. So let's pretend we are breeding an amel to an anery.

The amel has two amel genes and no anery genes. The anery has two anery genes and not amel genes.

Each parents gives *1* of the 2 genes to its offspring. The amel has to give an amel gene because it has 2 copies. The anery has to give zero copies of the amel gene, because it has none to give. The anery has to give an anery gene because it has 2 copies. The amel has to give zero copies of the anery gene, because it has none to give.

So each snake offspring now has a single amel gene, and a single anery gene. But they need 2 copies to show the trait, so they look normal.
 
Shiari said:
So each snake offspring now has a single amel gene, and a single anery gene. But they need 2 copies to show the trait, so they look normal.
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you mean normal as in carolina? or normal as in for example 6babies will be amel and 6 babies will be anery?

If the babies in the example you gave, were all carolina's because they only had 1 copy of amel and 1 copy of anery then how would you ever get pure anerys, pure amels or morphs?
 
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Ok so Apricot, Rocky and Rosie were 3 of the snakes that hatched back in January. Caz and Snowy are the parents....
 

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Carolina is 'normal'.

As to how to get pure morphs, breed those babies with the hets together!

A normal het amel bred to a normal het amel:

The parents *each* have a 50% chance of giving a normal gene or an amel gene because they have one of each to offer.

So parent one will provide a normal gene (supposedly) 50% of the time, and the other 50% it will offer an amel gene.

Parent two does the same. This means there is a small chance (25%) that the parents will each provide an amel gene to the *same* baby snake. And with 2 copies of the gene, the baby will be visually an amel.
 
Shiari said:
Carolina is 'normal'.

As to how to get pure morphs, breed those babies with the hets together!

A normal het amel bred to a normal het amel:

The parents *each* have a 50% chance of giving a normal gene or an amel gene because they have one of each to offer.

So parent one will provide a normal gene (supposedly) 50% of the time, and the other 50% it will offer an amel gene.

Parent two does the same. This means there is a small chance (25%) that the parents will each provide an amel gene to the *same* baby snake. And with 2 copies of the gene, the baby will be visually an amel.
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So we have an amel called Apricot - this means that Caz gave her an amel gene and so did Snowy, hence its a pure Amel snake? Which will mean isnt het to anything?

If we bred Apricot to another pure amel we would only get normals?
 
Amel x amel breeding will give you 100% amels.

Het means they have the gene but just don't show it.
 
disgurlchar said:
So we have an amel called Apricot - this means that Caz gave her an amel gene and so did Snowy, hence its a pure Amel snake? Which will mean isnt het to anything?

If we bred Apricot to another pure amel we would only get normals?
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Why do I feel like I am about to confuse things? Apologies if I do, but here goes.

"Pure" amel doesn't really mean anything. It's just amel (2 copies, or "homo" amel). Since one parent was a snow (two copies amel, 2 copies anery), we know that Apricot is amel (2 copies) het (one copy) snow (or amel het anery, same thing). If you bred it to another amel, all the babies would be amel. UNLESS the other parent was het snow too, in which case you should get 25% snows thrown in as well. LOTS of amels out there are het snow, those are probably the two most common genes in captive corns.
 
Chip said:
Why do I feel like I am about to confuse things? Apologies if I do, but here goes.

"Pure" amel doesn't really mean anything. It's just amel (2 copies, or "homo" amel). Since one parent was a snow (two copies amel, 2 copies anery), we know that Apricot is amel (2 copies) het (one copy) snow (or amel het anery, same thing). If you bred it to another amel, all the babies would be amel. UNLESS the other parent was het snow too, in which case you should get 25% snows thrown in as well. LOTS of amels out there are het snow, those are probably the two most common genes in captive corns.
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OK I think I understood that, so how do I get anery now then?
 
You would need to breed your snow to an anery, at least that seems the easiest way. Then you'd have a bunch of aneries, and possibly snows if the anery you bought was het snow -and most probably are!
 
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