Motley and Stripe Phenotypes

[fyrefocks]

We basically jacked that other guys thread about what phenotype and genotype his snake might be, and i really wanted to keep it going, but not in his thread. Im bad at bringing quotes from other threads over, so im just going to start it off fresh.

The first picture is of a homo motley. I think Andy is an almost perfect example of a clean motley.

The second animal, also homo motley, displays the q-tip phenotype.

Third is just a crazy motley. I dont think her look has an assigned phenotype name. Freak, i guess?

And i dont have a photo of, because i dont have an animal with the genotype AND phenotype, a pinstriped homo motley, but the miami motley that was posted in the other thread is a phenomenal example.

But the thing is, all these animals could be motley/stripe and id never know, if i wasnt completely sure already, as ill show in the next post.

 

[fyrefocks]

Motley/Stripe

The genotype goes by many names, Motley/ Motley het Stripe/ Motley/Stripe/ het Motley/Stripe/ Trundlefart, but whatever call it, the snake has 1 motley allele and 1 stripe allele. its het for both genes. And it has all the same phenotypes as a homo motley animal.

The first animal isnt in my possession yet and i did not take this photo. She looks like a perfectly clean motley, and youd swear there was no stripe in her, but her dam was a homo stripe.

Second is the pinstriped phenotype.

It can get confusing for sure.

 

[fyrefocks]

Stripes

I love stripes, and all their mutations.

The first animal was produced by me this year. Hes a perfect stripe.

Second would be ^^^ his dam. Shes a stripe/cube. I think Tom might have said that animals with q-tipping must have a motley gene (bad at quoting, remember?), but cubes can show q-tipping.

Third off, vanishing pattern. And hes a cube. I love it!

I dont have a sunspot, but picture a sunkissed stripe. Yeah, thats what a good sunspot looks like. But the SK stripe wouldnt be called a sunspot. A conundrum, you betcha!

Fun times these genetics be!

 

[smallet]

Those are some great pictures and that stripe you produced looks so perfect....it's awesome!

 

[Jessicat]

Nice thread! Great idea, it seems like there is re occurring confusion about Motley morphs. Here are some examples of mine.

I will start with the Motley/Stripes.

Pin Striped Motley - who also happens to be Motley/Stripe

This is a snake that would classically be refereed to as a "Pin Striped Motley" for trade name purposes. When I first acquired this animal I assumed he was Motley/Motley, and thought that for about 4 years. I finally bred him this year and discovered that his genes are Motley/Stripe.

To clear up any confusion about Pin Striped, it does not necessarily refer to an animal that has one Motley gene and one Striped gene. It has been used in the past simply as a trade name for Motleys that have elongated Stripes. A Pin Striped Motley can be either Motley/Motley or Motley/Stripe. It in no way refers to the actual genetics of the animal.

Motley/Stripe

Motley/Stripe can come in many forms. Some look like normal Motleys with not very many elongated Stripes.. some have the elongated Stripes that give them the "Pin Striped" name, and some have such an elongated Pin Stripe that they almost look like Stripes themselves.

Keep in mind that these are all different examples of Motley/Stripe, and they are all just Motleys

"Normal Motley" Mot/Stripe
Hardly any elongated Mot dots. The Striped gene is still present though.

Pin Striped Motley Mot/Stripe
The classic elongating of the Motley dots that has given Pin Striped Mots its name is VERY present. Note that many of the elongated Motley dots have kind of an odd blocky uneven look to them. They kind of remind me of the first line of a Tetris game. This is one of the ways that a "Stripe" reveals that it is actually an elongated Motley dot.

Fully Striped Motley Mot/Stripe
I don't think there is an actual name for this, I'm just wanting to show an animal that is almost completely striped yet is actually a Motley. Untrained eyes may think this snake is a Stripe, but it is not.

Same animal, closer examination. Stripe does not connect to neck, a classic sign that the snake is a Motley. Also, Motley Pin Stripe ends at tail and normal Motley patterning continues. Stripes generally don't have pattern on their tails. Motleys do.

 

[Jessicat]

Stripe Stripe/Stripe
Animals that are completely Striped, not showing any Motley influence for comparison.

And now for my few other Motleys.

Motley
This is a Normal Motley that, as far as my knowledge is concerned, a Motley/Motley

Sunkissed Motley
Just to compare with the other Motleys. His Motley pattern isn't very strong, and he has sparse belly checkers. This is common in Sunkissed Motleys. I guess Sunkissed throws all the normals out the widow.

His belly

I hope that was informative and not just confusing. Kind of hard to cram in so much information in such a small space!

 

[Walter Smith]

We basically jacked that other guys thread about what phenotype and genotype his snake might be, and i really wanted to keep it going, but not in his thread. Im bad at bringing quotes from other threads over, so im just going to start it off fresh.

The first picture is of a homo motley. I think Andy is an almost perfect example of a clean motley.

The second animal, also homo motley, displays the q-tip phenotype.

Third is just a crazy motley. I dont think her look has an assigned phenotype name. Freak, i guess?

And i dont have a photo of, because i dont have an animal with the genotype AND phenotype, a pinstriped homo motley, but the miami motley that was posted in the other thread is a phenomenal example.

But the thing is, all these animals could be motley/stripe and id never know, if i wasnt completely sure already, as ill show in the next post.

I tell ya, that second one pictured sure looks like it's is also homo Bloodred. AWESOME looking snake !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[fyrefocks]

I tell ya, that second one pictured sure looks like it's is also homo Bloodred. AWESOME looking snake !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

Walter, that animal is no longer alive. However, when it was, it was a hypo diffused dilute motley with poss. hets. I do still have a half sib which is an avalanche motley with poss. hets.

 

[Walter Smith]

Walter, that animal is no longer alive. However, when it was, it was a hypo diffused dilute motley with poss. hets. I do still have a half sib which is an avalanche motley with poss. hets.

Gottcha Nate,
I thought it looked like it was homo Motley
Sorry to hear it's no longer with you. That is a AWESOME looking snake. I've always liked the Motley Bloodreds over the Stripe Bloodreds.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!