motley stripe pictures please

[ZiggysMom]

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone has pictures of snakes that have a het motley / het stripe genotype and that show some expression of the stripe gene?

Thank you.

 

[Nanci]

The snake which has one gene motley, one gene stripe will not express the stripe gene. When a snake has an extended pinstripe, that has no relation to whether or not the snake is het stripe. It may just as easily be motley/motley.

 

[Nanci]

This snake was sold to me as a stripe. Researching her pedigree, I discovered that she is motley/stripe.

 

[Nanci]

This snake is a motley/motley. No stripe involved.

 

[Nanci]

This is the above Miami's mother. Motley/motley, no stripe involved.

 

[Nanci]

This snake is quite obviously motley, and he is also motley/motley. It shows what a partial pinstripe looks like.

 

[OldDetroit]

Such pretty snakes

 

[OkeeteeMom]

Miami's Mother and Partial Pinstripe are Knockout Gorgeous, Nanci!

 

[Jessicat]

This snake was sold to me as a stripe. Researching her pedigree, I discovered that she is motley/stripe.

Dang, I'm a stickler for the difference between Mot/Stripes, and even I would have guessed that that first girl was a Stripe!

The Genes have it all!

Here's my Motley/Motley (Genetically) who would qualify as a "Pin-Stripe" Motley.

 

[Susan]

Dang, I'm a stickler for the difference between Mot/Stripes, and even I would have guessed that that first girl was a Stripe!

I agree! When you researched her pedigree and found motley, could that motley have been a het motley het stripe? Until you do a test breeding, don't rule out the chance that lovely is indeed homo stripe.

The following are all sibling het motley het stripe.

 

[Nanci]

Well, that snake is no longer my problem! Hopefully the new owner will inform me of the results when she is bred this season.

 

[fyrefocks]

Im a stickler for having only motley/motley or stripe/stripe! But i must confess that i do own a lone M/S animal. Though im doing a pairing with a friend of mine that should produce more M/S animals.

Silverymoon.

 

[Kethryanne]

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1142&pictureid=8383
Is my anery motley stripe

 

[Nanci]

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1142&pictureid=8383
Is my anery motley stripe

Did the breeder tell you so?

To me, that animal looks stripe/stripe. I say so because of the cube pattern in the first third of the snake,
and because the stripe looks _smooth_ (see how on Calli and Zora, the lavender and the Miami,
the edge of the stripe is jagged, or wavery, or off-set?) and because the center stripe goes all the way to her head without a break.
Now there _can_ be an unbroken stripe to the head on a motley, but it is uncommon. I can't think of a stripe that has a break there,
but I'm sure someone will come up with one if I post that. It's just a general rule.

But if the breeder told you it was a motley/stripe, it's likely it is, except just because someone is a "breeder" doesn't mean
they have a clear understanding of the relationship between motley and stripe. Now if Don Soderberg told you that snake
was a motley/stripe, and he bred it, then I would believe him!!

 

[Susan]

Another good example of "is it or isn't it"! I can see where the breeder would call it a het motley het stripe because if you look at the distance between the stripes on the neck where it makes that 360 turn, it is narrow and about the same width as the 2 stripes there, both indications that the motley gene is at work. But again, a breeding trial might prove otherwise. I've learned over the years that nothing is ever 100% all of the time, especially when you are dealing with nature.

 

[fyrefocks]

Did the breeder tell you so?

To me, that animal looks stripe/stripe. I say so because of the cube pattern in the first third of the snake,
and because the stripe looks _smooth_ (see how on Calli and Zora, the lavender and the Miami,
the edge of the stripe is jagged, or wavery, or off-set?) and because the center stripe goes all the way to her head without a break.
Now there _can_ be an unbroken stripe to the head on a motley, but it is uncommon. I can't think of a stripe that has a break there,
but I'm sure someone will come up with one if I post that. It's just a general rule.

But if the breeder told you it was a motley/stripe, it's likely it is, except just because someone is a "breeder" doesn't mean
they have a clear understanding of the relationship between motley and stripe. Now if Don Soderberg told you that snake
was a motley/stripe, and he bred it, then I would believe him!!

I agree with you, Nanci. I think the snake is a stripe/cube which is just a mutated stripe/stripe. I hate seeing cube animals labeled as M/S when they are clearly not.

 

[Kethryanne]

Got it at a pet store and it was labelled as such. So anything is possible! His belly is white no noticeable checks. I just figured he was actually a qtipped motley lol.
Smaug is so small he was 6 grams in that picture of him. He has gained and now weighs in at 9 grams since we brought him home. He seems to either be a stargazer or have neurodevelopment issues. He eats f/t well, but is quite spastic when excited/stressed-slithers on side, or upside down, head will shake back and forth, tries to go straight up in the air(reach for the sky). If he is in his cage and hasn't been disturbed he slithers normal but will sometimes do the reach for the sky move and head shaking. We have no plans to breed him to determine if he is motley or stripe or motley/stripe. He is strictly a pet due to his adorable personality.

 

[K. Rene]

I have a soft spot for motleys also, here is our normal pinstripe mot, Terra

 

[ZiggysMom]

Thank you all for the nice pictures.

Yes I know hom. motley snakes can be pin-stripe or Q-tip and "look" striped and hom. stripe snakes can be cubed. I also believe that many or even most het motley/ het stripe snakes look "motley". But I have read that some het motley/ het stripe snakes show some influence from the stripe gene. I also read someone make a passing remark that they did not like the "dirty" look to het motley/ het stripe snakes. This made me curious to see several examples with stripe influence.

Thank you Susan. The pictures you posted of all the mot/stripe clutchmates was very interesting.

Any other pictures of het motley / het stripe snakes that you feel show some stripe influence? Or discussion of how the stripe influence shows up? Or corrections to my understanding?

 

[carnivorouszoo]

This is Brass a Mot het stripe I had the joy of working with last year, got her at a petshop, ended up with a clutch from her and my amel scarlet, proved him not het for either as all ever totally normal. Don't mind how red she is really odd lighting/photo she was more of a brassy brown with burgandy undertones. She went to someone who wanted to work with her genes more than I did after being fed back up from breeding.