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My Hybrid is a Golddust.

I Just Wanted To Point Out That The White Oak Phase Only Occurs In A Small Area In Its Range And Not Anywhere Else, Also The Area Where The White Oaks Come From Not All Gray's From That Area Are White Oak Phase.
 
Interesting theories, everyone! I have some breeding trials in order for some of these crosses in the next year or two. I happen to have a pair of white oak grey rat snakes that I have been planning on using to test out some of my "frosteds." After reading this thread, I am planning on crossing them with some amel corns, as well.

Chuck...since you are so good with the genetic thing, do you mind helping me figure out which would be the best crosses? I don't think that my female white oak will be big enough next year, but hopefully the male will be! I also have some other frosteds and Babe and Winkytoodle, too. I should have a pretty good group to work with. I'll send you a list of my snakes, and if you don't mind, you can offer some breeding suggestions! :)
 
I have bred black rats, gray rats, yellow rats, and the supposed intergrade of black rat and yellow rat found in the Carolinas that people refer to as the "Greenish" rat snake. All of the babies pretty much looked identical. Matter of fact, this was a problem for me, because I lived in Maryland at the time and the babies were extremely difficult to sell because they looked the same as the local black rats, which were very common. I had to wind up holding onto them for about a year so people could see they were actually different before I could sell them. So those projects didn't last very long... :rolleyes:
 
Is there a generally noticeable size difference?
Every rat snake (aside from corns) hatchling I've seen is substantially larger than a baby corn snake. It might stand to reason that ones with grey rat (or any other rat snake blood) would be, on average, larger, no?
After multiple generations, perhaps that size breeds out when the cornsnake genes crest a certain percentage.
As far as I know, that's really the most noticeable difference other than coloration.
 
The Snow's offspring were a little bigger than normal, but the Caramels were pretty much the size of regular corns. The 50/50's were not any larger than any other corn hatchling when I got them either.
 
Shaky said:
Is there a generally noticeable size difference?
Every rat snake (aside from corns) hatchling I've seen is substantially larger than a baby corn snake. It might stand to reason that ones with grey rat (or any other rat snake blood) would be, on average, larger, no?
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Not to interfer with this very interesting posting, but my yearling banded creamsicle is tiny. Much smaller than my corns. But this may be a fluke.
Cheers to everyone who has been posting! :cheers:
 
ecreipeoj said:
The Creamcicles started it and the Ultras finished it.
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So how about we call them Ultracles? :roflmao:

OK, sorry. I wanted to say this in the borrowing thread but I want to get away from discussing "ultra" there.
 
Vin . . .

Vinman said:
hey don have you crossed the albino gray to a white oak phase gray
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Vin,

I'm told that white oaks are in the mix here, but not sure to what extent. I hatched four clutches of them this summer and there seems to be very little difference in them at this point. I'll be posting pix of my adults on my site as soon as my head stops spinning. From perpetual feeding baby corns, I have no time for selling them. What a paradox. I produce them to sell and have no time to sell them. What's wrong with this picture?

My black rats throw axanthics, leucistics, albinos and other strange colors. Are they pure? Dunno. I'll find out where Dave Barker got them. Mine came from him.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
 
Don, do you have pics of albino yellow hatchlings? If not, I'll post some pics of mine later today. I can also post some hatchling pics of brindle black rats and white oak phase grey rats, as well. The last 2 will be older pics, however.
 
Hmmm. Well I have just come across an ad in the Corn and Rat Snakes classifieds on that "other" site. Looks like they are advertising a rare Albino Grey Rat, his normal Grey Rat mate, and their normal and Albino offspring. At first glance this would seem to disprove the theory that all Grey Rats are homo for Ultra. However, I guess it could mean that the Albino gene, whether it cropped up in pure stock or is yet another case of a borrowed morph, is not the same gene that causes Amelanism in corns. :shrugs:
 
Post yours . . .

CornCrazy said:
Don, do you have pics of albino yellow hatchlings? If not, I'll post some pics of mine later today. I can also post some hatchling pics of brindle black rats and white oak phase grey rats, as well. The last 2 will be older pics, however.
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Terri

I sold all my babies this weekend at a show. Forgot all about shooting them for this thread. Thanks.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
 
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