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My mice have given up!

jimmythetiger

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Okay, so I started breeding mice for pinkies before I got my baby corn snake. (I also planned to supply my friends who also have snakes. When I first started, I set up 2 1.3 colonies, and the males had actively tried to mate the females. Since then I've only had one litter, and the males haven't even tried to mate with the females recently! It's been 2 months and none of the other females have become gravid. Is there anything that could be causing this? Is there anything I can do?
 
Okay, so I started breeding mice for pinkies before I got my baby corn snake. (I also planned to supply my friends who also have snakes. When I first started, I set up 2 1.3 colonies, and the males had actively tried to mate the females. Since then I've only had one litter, and the males haven't even tried to mate with the females recently! It's been 2 months and none of the other females have become gravid. Is there anything that could be causing this? Is there anything I can do?

LOL mice don't get "gravid" they go into heat :p

How old are the mice? What are they eating? how are they housed? what kind of bedding? water bottle or bowl? How big was the one litter?

I'm afraid more info is needed.
 
Definitions of gravid on the Web:

* big(p): in an advanced stage of pregnancy; "was big with child"; "was great with child"

Four months, tanks, carefresh ultra, bottle, 10 babies
 
That may be the definition but it is not the correct term for these animals. You may not get corrected much here but else where you might get down right ridiculed for incorrect terminology. I was trying to help avoid that if you went elsewhere with this problem.

4 months sounds good, tanks are great cages for rodents as they all chew and plastic is fair game, never used carefresh so can't say if it is contributing to the problem. Bottle good, ten, wow. I'd say that was not her first ever litter.

How reliable is the person or place you got them to say for sure their age? Do they look a bit small or full grown? Mice tend not to reach full size until about 6 months of age. In my experience only. I hear it takes longer for mice being bred.

You did not mention what they are eating. Not enough protein can cause breeding problems. Too much can as well. Its kind of fine line from what I understand from my research.
 
Okay well sorry about my terminology, I had seen the word used for mice here once, and I too thought it was a little strange, but I guess I just picked it up. I'm feeding them store rodent food with a little cat food mixed in.

I bought them from a pet store, so the age is actually only a guesstimation, but I don't think they are too young as one of them obviously did have babies successfully. I tried to find older mice, but the only store that had them wasn't selling them because they too were using them to breed snake food.
 
I would give them 1 more month, They may of already had babies,if they were plump and appeared that way, but ate them before you got to see them. How long have you had the mice in total length. Or you maybe guessing wrong on age and they are old breeder who are not having anymore litters. Most of the breeder I know sell there young males and old females. Hence the males mating with the girls... Just a thought maybe something totally different.
 
I got them 2 and a half months ago and they were pretty little then, so I'm pretty sure they're not too old, but yeah I will wait and just buy frozen pinkies for the time being. I would really like this program to get started already lol.
 
Maybe try to find a breeder who will sell you an established colony. Or maybe find a local breeder and offer assistance to them for a little hands on knowledge, I know that helped me. Try giving them a little different diet. This goes against some logic but try some kitten chow (without dyes) and some sunflower seed mixed with block or bird seed. Try not to give to many sunflower seeds as they are high in fats but do give some.

It sounds like you are doing the right things. I will keep my finger cross and pray to the mice gods for you. lol
 
Lol. I would buy an established colony, but I have no idea how to find that kind of breeders! (besides this one pet store that refuses to sell adult mice >.>) Thanks for the support.

Its pathetic really. The mice all sleep and eat together, and the males don't even sniff at the females!
 
I bought them from a pet store, so the age is actually only a guesstimation, but I don't think they are too young as one of them obviously did have babies successfully. I tried to find older mice, but the only store that had them wasn't selling them because they too were using them to breed snake food.

Ok did you keep any from the first litter to grow out for breeding? Just because they came from a petshop doesn't mean they are young or even mid aged. I have seen pet shops take back mice months later and resell them at the same age in the same manner as the younger ones.

No problem about the terms. I have way more experience with rodents than snakes. That is why I know how "nippy" rodent people can get about their terms. Snake folks seem a bit more relaxed.

Your food sounds ok though you might consider adding rolled oats. I have more luck with rolled oats in the mix than when they aren't. When I raised gerbils I had a line that had a plain "gerbil mix" and a line that got my blend. The ones on my blend were larger, lived longer and had healthier litters. My mix is NOT scientifically figured! It is by gut feeling and eyeballing it. I mix a new batch each time I run out and it does not always have the exact same stuff in it nor the same amounts.

I use cat food, kitten food, lab blocks, rolled oats, uncooked brown rice, vegetable pastas, black oil sunflowerseeds, pumpkin seeds, wild bird seed mix, gerbil/hamster mix, moulting blend, ferret fruit treat, ferret food, dog food, dog buiscuits, split peas, bran flakes, rice crispies, grape nuts, um . . .I am sure there is other stuff. I do not use all of this in each mix, it depends on what I have and can get when I need to make a new batch. The only thing that is ALWAYS in my mix every time is the lab blocks. My gerbils were all healthy, and huge. I had several live 5 years. I had one female that lived just short of 8 years. I am learning how to blend special for the mice by watching what they eat first and how their figures look. I will also be watching litter size, newborn size, growth rate etc.

If this helps anyone at all I am glad :)
 
Lol. I would buy an established colony, but I have no idea how to find that kind of breeders! (besides this one pet store that refuses to sell adult mice >.>) Thanks for the support.

Its pathetic really. The mice all sleep and eat together, and the males don't even sniff at the females!

Odd because that sounds like how my male has been acting since he impregnated all of my girls. Chillin til its time to "get" them again. If they were indeed 12 weeks or so when you got them perhaps the girls are slow starters. Try not to mess with them to much as stress can cause them to abort or like another said to eat the pups before you see them.

Keep us posted!
 
Gravid is correct terminology for a heavily pregnant female mouse. It is often used in scientific studies. Being in 'heat' is to be in estrus, not be carrying offspring. o_O

http://ko.cwru.edu/services/musfrming.html#brdsbeez

If these guys don't breed for you, find a reptile store nearby where you can buy weanling mice and start up new colonies would be my advice.
 
Gravid is correct terminology for a heavily pregnant female mouse. It is often used in scientific studies. Being in 'heat' is to be in estrus, not be carrying offspring. o_O

http://ko.cwru.edu/services/musfrming.html#brdsbeez

If these guys don't breed for you, find a reptile store nearby where you can buy weanling mice and start up new colonies would be my advice.

Ack! That's what I get for not sleeping much lately. I am SO sorry for my misinformation. I am so glad the folks here are so nice! They and you are right. Now I have that info correct in my head. Sorry again.
 
I kept four from the first litter that I will use to replace some of my mice if nothing happens with in the next month or so.

and it's alright carnivorouszoo. I'll find it in my heart to forgive you. XD
 
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