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NAME THAT MORPH!

We have kept them together yeah, because we had never intended on breeding them and so had never hibernated them - imagine our surprise when we found the clutch of eggs - that's why there are only two babies - we found them a couple of days after they were laid and they'd started to dry and shrivel up - so only 3 eggs made it full term and one of them didn't hatch.

We're now considering keeping him separate from them so that he isn't after them all the time...although he doesn't seem to be too bothered with them now...
 
BarryK said:
We have kept them together yeah, because we had never intended on breeding them and so had never hibernated them - imagine our surprise when we found the clutch of eggs - that's why there are only two babies - we found them a couple of days after they were laid and they'd started to dry and shrivel up - so only 3 eggs made it full term and one of them didn't hatch.

We're now considering keeping him separate from them so that he isn't after them all the time...although he doesn't seem to be too bothered with them now...
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Seperating them would be a great idea, males can 'hound' females into stress and both can end up not eating. How many eggs did you get?
 
From the pair above we got 9 - although within about a week that was down to 5 with them going bad - we're obviously disappointed that the 1 that went to full term was dead (we cut the egg open to check) but as we weren't expecting any of them to hatch we were very happy.

From the male and the other female we've got 11, but two of those have gone bad - hopefully all the others are goin to hatch (2 of them already have) - we actually caught him and her in "the act" so we were prepared this time - although I now suspect that she is gravid again, so I think we are definitely going to separate him - he hasn't seemed to hound them too much - there was one incident when he was chasing the anery female, but she hissed at him a bit and he left her alone then - we've not had any feeding problems (they're all gultons) but y'know, better safe than sorry.
 
We have kept them together yeah, because we had never intended on breeding them and so had never hibernated them
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Ah. As you've found, brumation (the Corn equivalent of hibernation) bears no relation to whether they breed or not. I've been breeding for years and have never brumated.

It might be worth checking whether you can sell the hatchlings in your area, as you've started breeding at a very bad time for the UK Corn Snake market. Demand has dropped massively over the last year and a major breeder has flooded the market with cheap Corns, so the already-saturated market now has a glut of dirt-cheap animals. You might find that any hatchlings you produce will be with you for a long time, especially if they're the common morphs - make sure you have the funds to buy equipment and then feed them over several months. I still have four of last year's hatchlings that I can't sell, and those are Caramel Motleys and a Butter Motley.
 
Well we are keeping at least 3 of the babies (the two from the 1st clutch and at least 1 from the 2nd) and we also have 2 people lined up who will rehome one and a couple of people I know are interested in rehoming them, provided they can afford to buy the equipment - I would have had 3 people lined up as a definite but she has a tropical fish and can only just about afford to keep him, which is a shame coz she thinks they're beutiful.

We've already got them a separate vivarium in case we need to keep them and we're loading up on the smallest pinkie mice we can find - we're a little concerned with the Snow Corn baby as he/she hatched out on 11th April and still hasn't eaten (the anery has eaten twice and is due another feed today).
 
Ok everyone, here are the pics for the 2nd clutch - only 2 babies have come out so far and they both look like the same morph so...same order as before;

Father (who we've determined is an Amel het Anery)
Mother
Baby

Any advice on the morphs?

Cheers
B
 

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Barry, how big and how old are the females now? People usually wait until they are 3 to breed them.
 
Agreed, female and hatchling are both Normals.

If that's a current pic of the female, she's terribly small to be laying eggs. The guidelines for a female are 3 years old, 300grammes and three feet long. Make sure she gets a few treats and some extra feeding to get her back to her pre-laying shape.
 
They are both around 3 months shy of 2 years old - they are a little under adult size - slightly thinner than the male, but not by much. They both have laid their clutches without any problems, as I kept a very close eye on them out of concern.

As I've said previously - we never planned to breed them. We had tried breeding previous snakes but it had never worked so we gave up. When we realised that these females were pregnant we began to react accordingly; feeding them up as much as possible and keeping an eye on them. We had always thought brumation was essential (when I first started keeping them, every book I read said it was) and I have only just recently learned that it is not. We don't plan on breeding them next year unless we have managed to get them much bigger, although my last Corn reached adult size and she was not much larger than them.
 
No no no, all the photos of the parents are from when they were about 6 months old; at the time we thought they were a little small so we began feeding them up rapidly. We were just about to try them on Rat weaners, as the mice are now only making a small bump in their bellies.

They are definitely three feet long or more, and neither of them seemed to go through too drastic a weight loss when they laid either; the Anery was a little thin immediately afterwards, but she has gotten the weight back with ease and has now grown a fair bit.

As I've said, these were unplanned egg layings - I feel I should keep repeating this as the last thing I want is for people to think I was irresponsible with my snakes; they are very very dear to me and I would be crushed if something were to happen to them.
 
I can see that you care about your snakes, so please keep them separate. They're solitary animals and don't enjoy each others company, and as you can see can breed readily if kept together. Keeping corn snakes together in the long term can cause unwanted breeding, regurgitation, stress induced illness, and a high chance of transmitting disease between the snakes.
 
Back in my day, we used to talk about jungle corns in this thread. Where does the time go? :wavey:
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Kevin S. said:
Back in my day, we used to talk about jungle corns in this thread. Where does the time go? :wavey:
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I remember that! those were the days... *sigh* :flames:
that's a beautiful jungle by the way... looks quite similar i the one in question.
 
I just thought this might be important

The father is an Amel het Anery

Because two of the babies which hatched out were normals it seemed like the mother was as well

BUT - unfortuneately two of the eggs have gone bad and the babies inside were dead HOWEVER - they were both Anerys

Does this mean that the mother is a Normal het Anery?
 
BUT - unfortuneately two of the eggs have gone bad and the babies inside were dead HOWEVER - they were both Anerys
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In order for their to be Anerys, both parents must at the least be het, so Yes, the mom is too
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Careful with that assumption though. Pigment is one of the last stages of the embryo's development. If it died before this process completed, then the embryo will appear to be Anery, but it might easily have ended up as Normal if it had lived to hatch.

I believe it's quite common to find pre-term dead-in-egg embryos that appear to be Anery, when they genetically can't be.
 
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Careful with that assumption though. Pigment is one of the last stages of the embryo's development. If it died before this process completed, then the embryo will appear to be Anery, but it might easily have ended up as Normal if it had lived to hatch.

I believe it's quite common to find pre-term dead-in-egg embryos that appear to be Anery, when they genetically can't be.
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Very interesting, I did not know that, and here I thought I knew everything..lol
 
I wouldn't have known it either, unless I'd read it here!

I've made the assumption myself in the past and since realised with that info, that I couldn't possibly have been seeing Anerys in those eggs.
 
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