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I agree with rich. I got this little guy and am overjoyed to add him to my collection either way honey or caramel. I just need to find a sunkissed to breed him to to prove him out witch sunkissed is the one morph I don't have imagine that lol
 
The head pattern is bold, but not what I consider a Sunkissed head pattern. Might be het Sunkissed though!
 
bennutting said:
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/honey/
ok so im still doing so searching around but some of the pictures of the honeys didnt have the "typical" sunkissed look either ex: head pattern or the 2 dots on the nose as most sunkissed do. so if anyone has any better clues or helpful hints it would be much appricated!
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All but one snake shown on Ian's Vivarium that you linked show the typical Sunkissed head pattern, and the one that is "iffy", IMO, does have the dots (more than 2) on the shorter nose and shows the typical Sunkissed squared saddles. The photo you posted of the head of your new aquisition shows a normal pattern, IMO.
 
I wonder why nobody talks about the neck area... If you wanna identify suns you just have to look at the neck area, if there are some motleyish elements - no sunkissed, if the first saddle ends straight, it's a sunkissed. This marker is much more informative than the head pattern. I know a lot of weird head patterns on nonsunkisseds but not a single nonsunkissed with those straight saddles. It works everytime with every sunkissed from every lineage.

since your animal has regular neck pattern I doubt it's hom. sunkissed, but a very very nice caramel/amber/whatever. Of course the pattern could be caused from a het sunkissed, keep it and test it but I would be very surprised if you end up with a whole bunch of suns in the clutch.

sunkissedblood vs. hypoblood, just look at the neck area and it's clear.
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JimGERcream said:
I wonder why nobody talks about the neck area... If you wanna identify suns you just have to look at the neck area, if there are some motleyish elements - no sunkissed, if the first saddle ends straight, it's a sunkissed. This marker is much more informative than the head pattern. I know a lot of weird head patterns on nonsunkisseds but not a single nonsunkissed with those straight saddles. It works everytime with every sunkissed from every lineage.

since your animal has regular neck pattern I doubt it's hom. sunkissed, but a very very nice caramel/amber/whatever. Of course the pattern could be caused from a het sunkissed, keep it and test it but I would be very surprised if you end up with a whole bunch of suns in the clutch.

sunkissedblood vs. hypoblood, just look at the neck area and it's clear.
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y5okcuqn.jpg
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I used to think the same thing about the neck area. But these sunkissed sibs I produced have raised some doubt to that theory.

Sibs
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Are you sure the first and second pic are really hom. sunkissed? when I look at the pictures, I would have said these are normals with strong sunkissed het-markers and not hom. suns?? Do they come from hom. sun x hom. sun or from hets? if they're coming from het's I'd rate them as normals?!? :shrugs:

Your sunkissed comparison pics do show the difference in the neck area pretty well, although they are partly "kind of motleyish", they end still straight and are different to normals.
 
JimGERcream said:
I wonder why nobody talks about the neck area... If you wanna identify suns you just have to look at the neck area, if there are some motleyish elements - no sunkissed, if the first saddle ends straight, it's a sunkissed. This marker is much more informative than the head pattern. I know a lot of weird head patterns on nonsunkisseds but not a single nonsunkissed with those straight saddles. It works everytime with every sunkissed from every lineage.

since your animal has regular neck pattern I doubt it's hom. sunkissed, but a very very nice caramel/amber/whatever. Of course the pattern could be caused from a het sunkissed, keep it and test it but I would be very surprised if you end up with a whole bunch of suns in the clutch.

sunkissedblood vs. hypoblood, just look at the neck area and it's clear.
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y5okcuqn.jpg
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Leave it to some Serpenco Sunkisseds to be the exceptions. ;)
 

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JimGERcream said:
Are you sure the first and second pic are really hom. sunkissed? when I look at the pictures, I would have said these are normals with strong sunkissed het-markers and not hom. suns?? Do they come from hom. sun x hom. sun or from hets? if they're coming from het's I'd rate them as normals?!? :shrugs:

Your sunkissed comparison pics do show the difference in the neck area pretty well, although they are partly "kind of motleyish", they end still straight and are different to normals.
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The first & second photo are normal/het sunkissed granite. Hence the calling them sibs, never implied that they are homo sunkissed. No Motley involved, they were produced from a Sunkissed x Granite/ het sunkissed pairing.

IMHO: Neck pattern alone isn't a foolproof indicator of sunkissed.

Great looking Orchid Susan!!!:cool::cool::cool:
 
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Tom Tuttle said:
Hence the calling them sibs, never implied that they are homo sunkissed.
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Gotcha now. I got you wrong, damn language barrier. :shrugs:

Tom Tuttle said:
IMHO: Neck pattern alone isn't a foolproof indicator of sunkissed.
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I totally agree! Just wanted to add that the neck area is also a strong and easy to identify indicator for sunkisseds and to look at it might help to identify an animal which is questionable.

Susan said:
Leave it to some Serpenco Sunkisseds to be the exceptions. ;)
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Exceptions prove the rule. :D
 
Shiari said:
Doesn't look like a honey to me. The head pattern isn't right. It's "just" a caramel.
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My thoughts exactly. I don't see any sunkissed characteristics in the head pattern at all. It looks to be very normal "chevroning".

I say it is a nice caramel as well.


~Doug
 
DMong said:
My thoughts exactly. I don't see any sunkissed characteristics in the head pattern at all. It looks to be very normal "chevroning".

I say it is a nice caramel as well.


~Doug
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Ditto this. It's a lovely caramel, but not sunkissed.
 
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