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new and wonderful pet

maiden said:
..... And smacking a mouse on the head to kill it is sadistic......

Exactly HOW is a cranial blow, which kills quickly and cleanly, sadistic? Also how can you call that sadistic when you boasted of stabbing two field mice to death?

......For the simple fact that killing a deer is a triumph and the satisfaction that is gained from taking down a great buck with a bow (sometimes very difficult for you inexperienced) is wonderful........

Exactly how is it a 'triumph' to kill a buck with a bow (which is very often NOT a clean quick kill) but 'sadistic' to kill a mouse with your hands (clean and quick except if done badly)?

To be honest I think your either a complete Pratt or just having a laugh. I cant imagine anybody who has bred snakes (your petshops supplier) thinking that you need to force feed all of them. You have also contradicted yourself several times in your posts. Your posts generally show a lack of common sense that is quite simply breathtaking.

If you do have a snake then please buy yourself a good book on caring for it and stop wasting everyones time.
 
Just wait one blame minute!!!

I don't know where you come off ether!!! I am just trying to do the right thing to help my snake and unlike some people I haven't the money to go out and buy every book and every special heat thingy and such!! I am trying to be a good herper and it is very nice of everyone to help out. I have no tried to contridict myself if that is what I am doing. I am just answering the questions asked of me. AND I NEVER KILLED THE MICE. My husband killed them. I also was joking about the screwdriver to the head being sadistic. I was just stating that that would suck as a way to go. I can think of a better way. Do you also not know what LOL means cause I think I added that to the sadistic as in IT WAS A JOKE. And I much prefer to kill a deer with a high powered rifle so it does die quick. I love animals and don't want to see them suffer and that is why I came to you guys and it happens to be a good thing I did for I have learned that my snake could be starving to death if I had kept doing what that pet shop said.

Now I am sorry for being cross but please don't treat me like some of the liars and others who honestly so contridict themselves. I am trying to be honest and until I get the cash to buy the book I am having to keep coming here for questions. IS THAT A PROBLEM WITH YOU!!

I apologize to all for the outburst and please refrain from being cross with me for it.
 
I might be totally off on this, but if quickly and painlessly flicking a mouse in the head to kill it is considerd sadistic to you, but bringing down a deer by painfully firing arrows at it brings you "triumph and satisfaction"? I have no clue on your reasoning of this.
 
no I said a screwdriver across the head please enough with this subject I am tiring of it. I will come back to this site when everyone has gotten over it and they are more willing to talk about the issues at hand.

FAIR THEE WELL!!!
 
Re:

Why don't we just let this conversation go? Y'all are just squabbling over petty issues.

Grats to Elrojo for conversation change, he's an expert at it. Although sometimes thats not a bad thing. =P

We all have different views on what is an acceptable way to euthanize our feeder rodents. I personally whack them in the head with my "whacking spoon", good heavy wood spoon. To some, that'd be considered cruel I'm sure. But I think gassing would be a worse way to go, struggling for breath and panicking. It all just depends on how much you want to anthropomorphize your animals.

Maiden, I'm sure you're trying to the best for your snake. And I do thank you for coming here and trying to learn all you can. It's the best any of us can do. Just take a deep breath and relax, we're not trying to crucify you, although some people's comments may come across as such. But you just can't get the tone of voice through text. ;)

I don't take delight in suffering animals, there's nothing more blood curdling than a screaming rabbit, in my book. Just gives me chills thinking about it. Thats why I try and do it right the first time and limit the amount of suffering my rabbit goes through before it ends up on the grill for dinner.

As for deer, I don't personally hunt them myself. I get a couple each year from a friend of mine. I've seen first hand how the deer can suffer if it's hit wrong. So I guess for deer I follow the "pre-packaged" ideal, it's already cleaned out when it appears in the back of my truck one morning. Or like last night, I claim roadkills when they frequently happen outside my driveway. I see no point in the meat going to waste afterall. Nothing like field-dressing at midnight by yourself. Taking it to the processor the next morning is always fun, especially when he looks at the deer and comments on how clean it is inside, and questions who cleaned it. Answering "myself", he giggles and looks at me, a young 5'3" woman. I always like to keep people on their toes, guessing. I guess I don't look the "blood-lusting" type, like some hunters I've seen are.

Picture taken this March:
Roadkill Aftermath Picture

Picture taken last night:
03 Young Doe

I know where my sirloin steaks come from, and I clean my own chickens when the opprotunity arises. It gives you greater respect for the meat in those plastic containers I think. Puts a whole new persective on things, imho.

We each have different ideals when it comes to animals, whether it be pets or food. Telling someone how to act or behave in a situation isn't the appropriate thing in a lot of cases. People are raised in different situations and different areas that all have a bearing on how we behave. Just because it's different from you and how were raised doesn't mean it's wrong, its just different.
 
Please, chill Maiden!

If you read the thread, it was Tina who got upset and felt the thread was turning south. I think some of that was attributed to you. I was going to stay out of this one, but I was the one with the thump/screwdriver method to begin with, and the one who made the comparisons to killing game and snake food. While I don't retract any of my statements (I meant every word), I do wish I hadn't made some...

I don't personally know anyone here other than Emails and some phone calls, but I'm fairly certain no one is an animal torturer nor a member of PETA. I'm sure we all have different experiences with animals. And that includes feeding them and eating them...
 
Re: Just wait one blame minute!!!

maiden said:
I am just trying to do the right thing to help my snake and unlike some people I haven't the money to go out and buy every book and every special heat thingy and such!!

If you cant afford the equipment needed to keep a pet then you probably shouldnt get it in the first place IMO.

I am trying to be a good herper and it is very nice of everyone to help out.

Well, thats good to hear. People on this forum are very helpful to newbies, which is great.

I have no tried to contridict myself if that is what I am doing. I am just answering the questions asked of me. AND I NEVER KILLED THE MICE. My husband killed them.

You have just contradicted yourself again.

Do you also not know what LOL means cause I think I added that to the sadistic as in IT WAS A JOKE.

Laughing Out Loud could indicate, mirth, hilarity, sadistic enjoyment or any combination of the above. Text is a very ambiguous medium, even with emoticons. Abreviations dont really help matters much.


Now I am sorry for being cross but please don't treat me like some of the liars and others who honestly so contridict themselves. I am trying to be honest and until I get the cash to buy the book I am having to keep coming here for questions. IS THAT A PROBLEM WITH YOU!!

It is not a problem with me (for me?). I would much prefer you post questions here than carry on force feeding your snake without good reason. And why are you sorry for being cross? After all I did call you a pratt, which was uncalled for and for which I apologise.

I honestly wish you the best of luck with your snake.

Rex
 
maiden said:
I did stab to death two field mice last night that had been terrorizing my house.




See Maiden, this is why you are confusing people. You are contradicting yourself (you killed the mice, no your husband did etc etc). Leads me to believe that you are just posting here to get a rise?? Maybe not, so check what you post first. It'll save alot of hassle in the long run. Good luck with your snake either way.

R ;)
 
ok I see...

I never killed the mice. Hubby did. I am so not trying to get a rise. I am just trying to learn about the corn snake species. I am sorry for getting tiffed. I just didn't realize that I contridicted myself and also the "LOL" was not directed that sadistic methods are funny. I was just stating that It was a joke. I will be more careful as to how I respond from now on.

Rex I am sorry. And your apology is accept with good graces. I just have a question...what is a pratt??

I do want to say this too. I only have two pay periods a month and I did not know there was a book or I would have gotten it last pay period. I am going to get it next week when paid again.

As for the deer. This a snake forum and so the deer must GO!! LOL

Again please forgive and lets forget.

One more thing. Do you think that since Baby has been forcefed since hatching that he will even eat on his own? I am beginning to wonder.
 
I would have thought so. I've never had a problem feeder when my snakes were hatchlings but I would assume that people who have 'had' to force feed have only had to do so a couple of times and then the snake takes it from there.
 
No worries Maiden. Pratt is a very mild insult that ive never heard anyone but us Brits use. Its just another way of saying someone is a bit foolish and prone to making (mildly humorous) mistakes.

I agree, there is a very good chance your snake will eat on its own. Just keep trying and asking for advice here. One very usefull tool is the 'search' button up above. Try a search for 'problem feeders' or 'non feeders' to read about all the different methods people have used to get snakes to eat.

Good luck!
 
WHOO HOO

Baby ate by his self!!!!!! He has taken in 2 Pinkies by his self and took only 5-8 mins a piece doing it!! I used nothing special either just a plain old pinkie. I am gonna see if he take a third and if not o well. I am soooooo happy!!:D

I had one dead and too live. He seems to prefer the live but am gonna try the dead one also so that he can get used to it. As you guys said adult mice are better f/t. So thanks all.

Wish us further luck.:D
 
Be careful not to overfeed......

He may eat three, but that doesn't mean that he can digest three. If he can't, then he will regurge most of what was just consumed.
 
he stopped at two and I know he can take that much he was force fed that much before. But I am so happy. The first one he took butt first and it took him longer. The second he took head first and it was gone in two mins. I think he is getting the hang of it.

One thing though should I feed him two every time he wants to eat or should I limit him to one a week?
 
I feed all of my hatchlings 2x/week. Once he is regularly eating two pinkies, I'd recommend switching to fuzzies. You're snake will get more of their essential dietary requirements from a fuzzy.

BTW, I'm glad you had such a successful experience. Now you can start ignoring that bad advice you have been receiving from your "source"! ;)
 
maiden said:
I have a new and wonderful corn. It just happens to be my first one. It is still a baby and I bought it from a local pet store. I have read all the books in our library and look up sites on the web but I am still confused about the care and feeding that needs to be done. I set up a beautiful terrerium and I take extra precautions to make sure it stays well but I need a tad bit of help.

The lady at the pet store says it needs to be force fed until it grows older and has agreed to do it for me so I can see how it is done. She owns two ball pythons so I sort of believe her. She will have the pinkies ready on Friday so if this is a wrong move please let me know.

If there is anything else I should know feel free to infrom me I need all the help I can get.:)
hi,
sorry i dont post here very much but this is one i have to!!
first: what kind off petstore is that that would sell babies that need to be force fed...and (sorrY) if you really read up on it you should know how to get a healthy snake instead of a force feeder
if i was you (since it is your first snake) i would take it back right away...force feeding is horrible...and it might even take up to months (lost off them) to get the snake to feed on their own, and as this is your first experience...this can damage your hobby forever...you first need to learn to keep a snake good and healthy...and have lots off pleasure in that...not to have to keep the snake alive with forcefeeding..
maybe i am a bit hard in this, but this is not right...not for you and the petstore...wel i have no words for them...horrible...almost a crime to sell a force feeding snake to you especially since its your first snake!!!!sorry
mariska
 
Iris said:
That comment is bound to get a lot of responses...
Let me jump in and out really quickly
I agree that is interesting to see snakes eat live mice. I'd say pinkies are ok since they don't have sharp teeth or nails yet.

BUT, if your snake decides he ONLY wants live mice, you're going to have a problem a down the road. Adult mice are pretty good at biting (hard), especially when they are fighting for their lives. I've seen snakes with scars or scales torn off from a scared mouse putting up a good fight.
I'm not saying that you can't feed live pinkies right now, just suggesting that it might be better for your snake (and easier/cheaper for you) if you start feeding him frozen/thawed mice now.


i totally agree on that, i dont want my snakes to see movement in their cages as food:) so thawed mice is good...but...if the snake was force fed al allong...and is now eating on live pinkies...so what...as long as force feeeding is out...fine by my, feed it well and try to get it on its scedule then try to get it on thawed mice...
mariska
 
Re: or you can simply whack the mouse in the head

elrojo said:
Sorry to put it so bluntly, but it doesn't take much. I used to thump them with my finger, just like playing "knuckles," only the target was the back of the mouse's head. They'd die pretty quickly. A screwdriver handle will do the job, too. :)


whoahaha then you dont want to know the first time i had to kill mice with a screwdriver....nah just put them in the freezer or take them bij the tail and slap them against the floor...they will be out for at leust a few minutes, enough for the snake to strike them...but then again tis is only for adults...as i understand is this a little one that has been force fed, if it eat live babies on it own...great!!!!!!!!! thawed and dead mice will be of later concern right now
mariska
 
maiden said:
ok so I opened a whole can of something with that...LOL I did stab to death two field mice last night that had been terrorizing my house. Too bad Baby wasn't big enough to eat them. Of course the thought never crossed my mind that I could have bred them for the pinkies I so desperatly need. DUH??



Please tell me do I need to freeze my snake?? I am mortified!! I thought It would not need hibernation. Do I need to put baby in a gladware container on the second shelf in the freezer!!!???

ok my comment on this...freesing the mice is the best way...they will feel cold yes...and they will feel some pain....but as they go cold they will start to be numb, and wont feel they dying part (my oppinion)id rather freeze my mice than kill they with e screwdriver(sorry)..second never ever feed wild mice to your snake...mice can contain loads of illnesses,virusses, bacteria`s...thats a NO!!
this year you dont need to put the snake in hybernation next year it depends on how well it has been eating...is it close to adulthoud or not??...if not no hybernation...if it close...well then its ok to keep the snake in a temp of 13/15 c for about 8 to 10 weeks...so no freezer:) gosh you red up on snakes??? i know you are a beginner but....
mariska
 
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