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New brand of aspen bedding @ Petsmart
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Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Out of curiosity, and I think it's still on topic here, but I've been rolling this question around in my head for a few months now. Can anyone point to an actual documented case where pine (or cedar for that matter) has been at fault in the death of a snake or other reptile? Anyone? (PS. Death due to the supposed resins/toxins.)
The reason I ask is that my first go-around with snakes in high school, pine was the bedding of choice. After a few years layoff, I came back to find Aspen is now the wood of choice. No problem as I use aspen, but I think pine is more aromatic, is more absorbent, and from what I can recall is less expensive than aspen.
Just wondering.
D80
The reason I ask is that my first go-around with snakes in high school, pine was the bedding of choice. After a few years layoff, I came back to find Aspen is now the wood of choice. No problem as I use aspen, but I think pine is more aromatic, is more absorbent, and from what I can recall is less expensive than aspen.
Just wondering.
D80
I don't know of anyone that actually used it and as a result their snakes died.
But it IS a fact that animals kept on pine/cedar have a higher rated of RI http://www.anapsid.org/cedar.html
That study was on chickens raised on cedar.
Cedar is worse than pine, but chickens don't burrow in their bedding, either.
I personally am not going to risk it.
They also go on to address the potential risks of feeding prey animals raised on pine/cedar to reptiles.
I wouldn't think that would be a severe problem, but rather a minor problem that's avoidable.
But it IS a fact that animals kept on pine/cedar have a higher rated of RI http://www.anapsid.org/cedar.html
That study was on chickens raised on cedar.
Cedar is worse than pine, but chickens don't burrow in their bedding, either.
I personally am not going to risk it.
They also go on to address the potential risks of feeding prey animals raised on pine/cedar to reptiles.
I wouldn't think that would be a severe problem, but rather a minor problem that's avoidable.
Cheaper!
I get a newspaper delivered as it is. Even if I didn't though, I'd order one. Between the birds and the snakes I'd spend a fortune in paper towels.I know what Drizzt is saying though, I've thought it myself- it seems as though the studies always mention Cedar but people just lump in Pine to be safe. I haven't really seen Pine mentioned other than by word of mouth as being bad..
BobbyHill
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SquamishSerpents
Katia
i've always used the zoo med aspen, it's great!
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Oops. Quoting anything from Melissa Kaplan doesn't get my vote of confidence. :shrugs: As for the feeding part of the equation, yeah, that's a risk with any substrate, including paper towels and newspaper. My concern is the supposed toxicity of pine resin. Cedar I can see and understand. It's used as an insect deterent for crying out loud. Pine isn't though.
Exactly. I've also noticed some pictures floating around here with what looks like pine bedding as opposed to aspen. (From some bigger breeder/hobbyists.) No big whoop. I'm just beginning to think that maybe pine isn't so bad as ""everyone"" says. :shrugs:
I'd like to find some actual information on it, and am too busy right now to make an in depth search. I was hoping someone already had it at their fingertips.
D80
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
It was never the concern of resin that I've avoided pine with the use of any animal. It's how dusty the stuff is. It's been known to cause respiratory infections from inhalation of the dust in small animals (sort of like they don't want you using baby powder on children under a year of age because inhalation of it is now linked to respiratory problems later in life).
SquamishSerpents
Katia
here is something i found outlining the reason that pine and cedar are so harmful:
http://www.ratfanclub.org/litters.html
http://www.ratfanclub.org/litters.html
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
That makes sense.
Now that's the type of information I wanted to see. Thanks for finding and sharing that link. It's been bookmarked.
D80
That's better. I had no idea why i was being feau-pauxed so badly until I got the info. Thanks for the correction.
Every now and then everyone steps in something. If they clean it up before they track it around, that's considered proper, right?
Thanks for making it easier for me to clean up.
Every now and then everyone steps in something. If they clean it up before they track it around, that's considered proper, right?
Thanks for making it easier for me to clean up.
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
No problems. I was forced to make sure that I had my ducks in a row too. It's been so long since I've seen her referenced that all I had stuck in my head was that she wasn't worth quoting. Easy Cheesey. No harm, no foul.
D80