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New Hognose!

LouiseB

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Hello everyone,
I've just bought a new Western Hognose, and I just wondered if anyone else here has one? He is only about 2 months old, and he's still hissing at me when I go to pick him up although as soon as he's actually in my hands he stops doing it. Is it better to keep on handling him until he gets used to it, or leave him alone for a while?
 
They seldom do that for long. Keep them a little warmer (85) and drier than corns, and feed more often, smaller meals. They are an absolute joy! I'm getting addicted! I'm supposed to receive 1.1 albinos today and am already looking for other morphs. This is coming from an almost 20 year locality/non-morph guy.
 
I can't really answer the question but I am getting 1.1 hoggies soon! I can't wait :D. Good luck with your little guy, I'm sure he'll calm down for you soon enough.
 
Hello everyone,
I've just bought a new Western Hognose, and I just wondered if anyone else here has one?

You could say we have a few ;) I think the last count was about 25 Westerns that we have.

He is only about 2 months old, and he's still hissing at me when I go to pick him up although as soon as he's actually in my hands he stops doing it. Is it better to keep on handling him until he gets used to it, or leave him alone for a while?

It just really depends on the individual snake. I don't personally subscribe to this "handling more often makes them calmer" bit as every single individual or species doesn't necessarily do well under those terms. You might find that over time he'll stop hissing by handling him more and then he might start doing it again. Welcome to the world of the unpredictable hoggies ;)

They seldom do that for long.

Actually, it really depends. Females are more prone to being pissy on a more consistent basis than males. I have 2 adult females who have no problems whatsoever hooding, hissing and sometimes striking almost every day. And yet they also get handled more than most of our tamest hoggies. I even have a yearling albino female whose new thing is actually trying to bite me. She's always been an angry snake, but this biting thing started about a month ago so we'll see how long that lasts. Males on the other hand do tend to be a lot tamer but again, this can greatly depend on the individual. All of my males are tame except a Het Axanthic that I have that acts just like my adult female monsters. YMMV.

and feed more often, smaller meals.

This is kind of a funny statement. As you will soon find out as all other hoggie owners usually do, the males will often go on feeding strikes. This behavior can last from a few weeks to sometimes a few months. This isn't something to be overly concerned about as it's just something inherent that they do. Just make sure that you monitor their weight on a weekly basis and see if they are losing any significant amounts of weight. Remember, males are typically between 30-75% smaller than females in adulthood, so their metabolism is quite different. Females can get up to 400 grams while males usually top 100 grams. So, while the males metabolism might seem high at first, it seems that when they tend to hit the 30 gram mark, they go on and off of feed at random. Females can do this to, and I have one particular female who is the worst out of all of them, but it's not nearly as common. Females usually have the more voracious appetite where you can oftentimes feed them 2 small items at a time whereas a male might only take one. Out of our 8 males, only 2 have ever eaten 2 food items at a time, that's our male Pink Pastel and our male Anaconda. But now the Pink Pastel who's finally hit the 60 gram mark occasionally goes off of food for a few weeks and then will go back to eating his 2 fuzzies a week. The Anaconda is still fairly new to us but he has the most aggressive feeding behavior out of them all including all of my females. So, like I said prior, it's really all about individuality.

Congrats on your little hoggie. You'll have many years of enjoyment from him as they really are very unique little snakes. :)
 
The males definitely have a deserved reputation for going off of feed from time to time (including every spring)!. My point was only that one big fat mouse once a week doesn't seem to be the ideal way to feed. They need to stay active was the advice I got and letting them sit for days digesting was a sure way to keep 'em still. I only have had 1.2 adults, so not a big pool to draw from, but I never get much more than a flatten and hiss when bothered. I'm surprised you have a biter, I sold babies saying defensive biting was a near impossibility! I thought I'd researched that one. :eek:

I know what you mean about aggressive feeding! I've never owned snakes near as prone to eat a mouse sideways! They'll fold 'em in half and struggle with 'em for twenty minutes sometimes. I've tried to turn the mouse around with hemostats, but they just hang on and chew harder. Another reason feeding small makes sense to me. Do you think they'd do better on a corn feeding schedule?
 
The males definitely have a deserved reputation for going off of feed from time to time (including every spring)!. My point was only that one big fat mouse once a week doesn't seem to be the ideal way to feed.

I hope you didn't take my post in a derogatory fashion as it was not aimed at correcting or refuting your prior statement. It was aimed at being more specific about the vast differences between the males and females and trying to help the OP understand in the future why a female might be sucking down everything in sight while that skinny little male shows no interest in eating at all.

Actually though, I think it all depends once again on the snake in general. I've had no problems feeding 2 of my larger females full grown mice once a week for extended periods of time but I wouldn't recommend this as a strict regimen either. More typically I usually, try to feed my adult females 2 hoppers than 1 adult mouse. So, while I'm not discounting your statement, I guess the "ideal" is relative to the individual snake at hand.

They need to stay active was the advice I got and letting them sit for days digesting was a sure way to keep 'em still.

While I will hold no claim to being an expert at anything, I don't know how to equate that ideology. I mean, typically most, if not all species of snakes that eat a significant meal will become less active if possible so that they can use their bodily resources to ensure proper and complete digestion. I don't see why this would be really any different in the hognose species. Possibly that conjecture is based on their main diet of frogs and toads or other smaller more easily digestible prey items if those items do indeed take less energy/resources to digest whether based on size or composition. I would like to know more about why this was said in order to try and better understand possibly a more suitable means of husbandry although I would want definitive proof, not just the sole experience from one specific breeder.

I only have had 1.2 adults, so not a big pool to draw from, but I never get much more than a flatten and hiss when bothered. I'm surprised you have a biter, I sold babies saying defensive biting was a near impossibility! I thought I'd researched that one. :eek:

Well, this particular one is really the exception to all of our other hoggies except maybe our Anaconda as he seems extremely high strung like she is. She's never handled well and even when left alone, always is sitting at the front of her tank hissing and striking, even if you are walking 8 feet away. It's really funny and odd, especially considering that's she's able to see or pay attention to something so far away. But that's just her. Only lately has she begun this biting business and only really when you put your hand in her tank. Once I get her out, she sometimes calms down but hasn't tried to bite outside of the tank. I've had this snake for over a year, so I'd say I know her behaviors fairly well considering her past history. But that's what I love about hoggies, their unpredictability ;)

I know what you mean about aggressive feeding! I've never owned snakes near as prone to eat a mouse sideways! They'll fold 'em in half and struggle with 'em for twenty minutes sometimes. I've tried to turn the mouse around with hemostats, but they just hang on and chew harder. Another reason feeding small makes sense to me. Do you think they'd do better on a corn feeding schedule?

Eh, again, I don't think trying to maintain any snake on a particular feeding regimen is proper unless that snake does fit within the status quo. I just go by a snake by snake individual basis and take it from there. But again, there's a lot of hognose breeders out there that do many different things and have many differing positive experiences. So, I'm just hesitant to state what is "best" considering. I think it's just a matter of what works best for your snakes individual needs. Does this mean that all of my snakes are on varying feeding schedules and diets? Not necessarily since most of them do adhere to the stereotypical patterns associated with western hogs, but I do have a few anomalies that have to be treated differently than the rest. So, I just take base my care around the individual using the fundamental ideological "care sheets" as more of a quidelines than a strict ruleset :)
 
Thanks for the info! I'd love to see your collection. Ever have any reaction to the bites?
 
Thanks for the info! I'd love to see your collection. Ever have any reaction to the bites?

My pleasure! I'm usually a ghost on this site until someone mentions hoggies ;)

I have pictures of most of our hognose collection on the "collection" part of my web site located within my signature. But nothing ever beats seeing stuff in person. Which is why I seriously need to make time to visit Brian Barczyk and drool all over his snow hoggies ;) If our breeding plans go according to schedule, we might be able to pull some snows or ghosts off within the next 6 years or so ;)

I've never been bitten by any of our hoggies although it's not for a lack of them trying. I'm always extremely cautious when handling them and if one is in a particularly foul mood that day and I need to take them out, I use the snake hook to at least get them out of their enclosure. It normally seems that once you get them in your hands, they aren't generally as aggressive. So no, I have no clue what type of reaction, if any, I would have and these are one species in our collection that I don't really want to test that out :D
 
My pleasure! I'm usually a ghost on this site until someone mentions hoggies ;)

I have pictures of most of our hognose collection on the "collection" part of my web site located within my signature. But nothing ever beats seeing stuff in person. Which is why I seriously need to make time to visit Brian Barczyk and drool all over his snow hoggies ;) If our breeding plans go according to schedule, we might be able to pull some snows or ghosts off within the next 6 years or so ;)

Wow, you've got some great looking hoggies there! I love the axanthics :D and the albinos are all really cool looking! I'm not sure if I'm going to pursue breeding hoggies much down the road since I'm already pretty heavily invested in my ball pythons but they are fantastic looking! I can't wait to get my 2 westerns and we're actually kind of rescuing a tri-color. He/she is just going to be a pet not a breeder since he had some sort of kink at birth so just to make sure it's genetic we won't be breeding him.
 
Wow, you've got some great looking hoggies there! I love the axanthics :D and the albinos are all really cool looking!

Thank you very much for the compliment! We're very proud of our collection :)

I'm not sure if I'm going to pursue breeding hoggies much down the road since I'm already pretty heavily invested in my ball pythons but they are fantastic looking!

Fully understandable. It's tough when you have to make decisions about what snakes you want to work with when you like so many, especially when that species has rare expensive morphs to partake in. ;) We chose hognose snakes because not as many people are working with them unlike corn snakes, kingsnakes or ball pythons (which we have as well, just not as many). It seemed feasible for us to try and get most of the available hognose morphs than it was for corns or BP's. There's still a lot of ground to break with hoggies and we're just hoping to get in on some of that fun action!

I can't wait to get my 2 westerns and we're actually kind of rescuing a tri-color. He/she is just going to be a pet not a breeder since he had some sort of kink at birth so just to make sure it's genetic we won't be breeding him.

You'll be amazed at how different the South American hoggies (tri-color/bi-color) are to the Westerns. If it wasn't for their shared upturned noses, there's really not much else similiar appearance wise. Even behaviorally, they can be much different snakes. I think you'll really enjoy the differences between keeping the two, I know we do :)
 
Wow, thanks for all that advice!

I should say that when I refer to my snake as "him", he hasn't actually been properly sexed yet. I have to take him to be probed when he's a little older, so I just arbitrarily decided he was male because I didn't want to keep calling him an "it"! I didn't realise that there could be such big behavioural differences, so I will definitely get him sexed as soon as I can.

He is also not eating at the moment, which wouldn't worry me if he was a bit older, but he's so tiny that I don't feel happy about him going without food for too long. Does anyone have any tips to tempt him? I've tried some of the tricks I use on my corn snake, but he's not buying it so far...
 
You'll be amazed at how different the South American hoggies (tri-color/bi-color) are to the Westerns. If it wasn't for their shared upturned noses, there's really not much else similiar appearance wise. Even behaviorally, they can be much different snakes.

Tri-colors are fantastic. None of those silly feeding strikes, except for the typical springtime male feeding strike. Mine loves to burrow, doesn't really climb, went through a little phase of hunger biting which was stopped by feeding him every five days for quite a while, even though he was a yearling. He's _so_ pretty, and fun to photograph! If you search for "Zee" you can see him.
 
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