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New Rescue... Anery?

JaimeP

JaimeP

The Eternal Student
Hey all,
I just picked up this girl (we're assuming she's female, will probe her later once she's settled in) from a rescue on Sunday. She was hanging out there for quite awhile as they insisted that she not go to a home as a children's pet. She's got a history of being pretty fiesty and she had a really bad RI when the rescue got her in. I can still hear her breathe every once and awhile, but the RI's gone. Anyway, I just wanted to post some pictures. She's a little chunky (~4.5 ft and ~600 grams)...

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I'm pretty sure she's just an anery, but if anyone has any input it'd be appreciated. :)
 
She kinda reminds me of my Miami girl, she looks to be coming into blue, maybe pictures after she comes out will help! But I'd say shes a Miami Phase?
 
That isn't a Miami. Looks more like a frosted ghost. Take some pics after she sheds and of her belly.
Very pretty! Glad to see she has a good new home. Congrats! :)
 
Wow, that is quite a gorgeous snake to find as a rescue. You did good. I'd say either frosted anery or frosted ghost. Wanna sell it? J/K
 
Yeah, she is pretty.:) Apparently the guy that gave her up insisted that she was a male albino everglades rat... and he was keeping her temps at ~72F on the warm end :( No wonder she got an RI!

She doesn't really look like she's going into blue in person, but we've only been together for two days so it's possible I just don't know what her "blue" looks like. I will take some belly shots after she's finished digesting and settling in for a few days... At her foster, she spent the first three weeks of her stay there repeatedly striking at the cage when someone walked past, so I think she has a sort of nervous disposition. So far she's been fine with me, although I haven't done anything besides feed her, change her water, and pet her a little inside her tub so she gets used to me. I think she'll fare much better in a dark tub than in a big, open display cage like she's used to.
Anyway, thanks for all the nice comments! I think she's a keeper, for sure!
 
If you look at her eyes inthe Pic I would say that she is going into the blue.
I think she is a frosted ghost.
Good job with the rescue, definitely a keeper.

Ciao
 
I took that to just be the light reflecting off of her eyes, but I'll definitely take a closer look tonight when I get home so that I can mist her if she is going blue. :)
 
Looks like an anery to me. The pure black that is seen in the second photo indicates to me that it isn't a ghost. The amount of brown seen is common in many anerys. As for it being frosted, I don't see anything that would indicate that. She shows the reduced saddle color I see in many corns.
 
UPDATE: I took her out last night long enough to get a weight on her. From what I could see, there is no signs of her being blue in person. Her belly is entirely clear, and so are her eyes... so whatever blue people were seeing was probably the tricks of photography. :) Also, her belly checks are a really dark black, which would also have me tend towards my original venture of Anery.

I was also a little off on her weight... she weighs a whopping 764 grams, and is probably closer to 5 ft. long. She is most definitely fat, but she hasn't been handled in months. That will all be changing soon, and she'll be getting plenty of exercise. :)
 
Alright, I've got another question for the color morph experts:
My anery's tongue is black, her's is pink, just like a normal. Is this any indication of hypo?
She's got a lot of pink along where her belly goes from checks to her ground color. And when I say a lot, I really mean a lot. It was the first thing that struck me about her. Would that be an indication of hypo?

I know that the only way to really know would be breeding trials, I'm more just curious in expanding my knowledge about what to look for. Thanks!
 
JaimeP said:
Hey all,
I just picked up this girl (we're assuming she's female, will probe her later once she's settled in) from a rescue on Sunday. She was hanging out there for quite awhile as they insisted that she not go to a home as a children's pet. She's got a history of being pretty fiesty and she had a really bad RI when the rescue got her in. I can still hear her breathe every once and awhile, but the RI's gone. Anyway, I just wanted to post some pictures. She's a little chunky (~4.5 ft and ~600 grams)...

I'm pretty sure she's just an anery, but if anyone has any input it'd be appreciated. :)
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She looks like a grey rat snake to me. :)
 
The peach/tan in the saddles indicates it's more likely a ghost to my eye. I've hatched Ghosts that have more black than some Anery's!

D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
The peach/tan in the saddles indicates it's more likely a ghost to my eye. I've hatched Ghosts that have more black than some Anery's!

D80
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Same here. I've seen them with solid black belly checkers. Anery or ghost is sometimes hard to determine just like normal or hypo.. Unless you see a clutch with both hatch out it can be hard to tell once they reach adult stage.
Guess that's all the more motivation to prove out that snake with a breeding trial ! ;)
As for frostiness, what better description is there for those reduced color saddles? Eh, maybe I've been using the word wrong all these years.
 
batwrangler said:
She looks like a grey rat snake to me. :)
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Her belly has normal checkers, just like any other corn snake. She also has the head pattern of a corn snake, and the same number of saddles as any of my other corn snakes. Also, as far as I know (which, granted, isn't a lot), gray rats don't develop the yellow and pink that she's covered with.
I understand where you're coming from though... something about her made my girlfriend take one look and say "do you think she's all corn?"
I guess my answer to that is... I don't know! I don't think there's any way I ever will know for sure, but how do any of us know for sure that there's not a little obsoleta mixed into our guttata? She is rather large... :shrugs:
 
shed'n my skin said:
Same here. I've seen them with solid black belly checkers. Anery or ghost is sometimes hard to determine just like normal or hypo.. Unless you see a clutch with both hatch out it can be hard to tell once they reach adult stage.
Guess that's all the more motivation to prove out that snake with a breeding trial ! ;)
As for frostiness, what better description is there for those reduced color saddles? Eh, maybe I've been using the word wrong all these years.
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I'm not sure what would be a better way of describing it, but here's a cross-post from Don Soderberg on the kingsnake.com Corn forum:

Frosted corns are usually hybrids between gray rat snakes and corns. We used to breed them here at South Mountain in the colors; normal, amel, snow, anery, ghost. One reason you're not seeing too many of them out there is because they're not exactly politically correct in the hobby. Some turn out to look exactly like pure corns and that really throws a wrench in the works when people are expecting pure corns in their breeding projects. Some hatch out as odd-looking "normal" corns that are actually hybrids.

Now, there's a chance that the person that sold that to you was calling your's a frosted amel corn, when in actuality, it IS a frosted-looking pure corn snake. Some people call anything with a frosted look "frosted" corn, but the name applies only to hybrids, to prevent confusion.

Don
South Mountain Reptiles
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...basically, I wouldn't be surprised if she's got some gray rat in her!
 
I'm pretty sure not everybody follows that definition. I could be wrong but I have seen plenty of corns that are NOT hybrids be called frosted corns. I always thought of it more as a corn with reduced saddle color or sometimes white speckling.
It gets confusing because there are so many breeders out there, and though one may decide to define a corn a certain way, others may or may not follow suit.
 
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