"New" Tradenames

[Toshiro]

I've been seeing some "new" tradenames.
Names like:
Orchid [Sunkissed Lavender]
Diamond [Lava Charcoal]
Moonstone [Anery Lavender]
...

Just wanted to see what you guys know/think about these names.

 

[Nanci]

That's why I have a copy of Morph Guide at work- I already can't keep track of granite, blizzard, avalanche, whiteout, pewter, pepper etc. It's like a foreign language; once you stop translating and start thinking it, then it's cool. I can "think" most of the amel combinations: opal, fire, butter, snow. I wonder why they stick in my head and the others don't. It must be difficult for non-native English speakers, too. First you have to look up orchid, then see how that compares to the snake's phenotype. Which is not to say I am not in favor of trade names.

 

[Toshiro]

Which is not to say I am not in favor of trade names.

I agree it's easier to know what a Hypo Charcoal is,
but saying Phantom is cooler

 

[Nanci]

I only have two tradenames, plasma (which I don't think is commonly used in the US) and avalanche. Try explaining an avalanche to a non-cornsnake person.

 

[Toshiro]

av·a·lanche [av-uh-lanch, -lahnch]
noun, verb, -lanched, -lanch·ing.

–noun
1. a large mass of snow, ice, etc., detached from a mountain slope and sliding or falling suddenly downward.
2. anything like an avalanche in suddenness and overwhelming quantity: an avalanche of misfortunes; an avalanche of fan mail.
3. Also called Townsend avalanche. Physics, Chemistry. a cumulative ionization process in which the ions and electrons of one generation undergo collisions that produce a greater number of ions and electrons in succeeding generations.

–verb (used without object)
4. to come down in, or like, an avalanche.

–verb (used with object)
5. to overwhelm with an extremely large amount of anything; swamp.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I've been seeing some "new" tradenames.
Names like:
Orchid [Sunkissed Lavender]
Diamond [Lava Charcoal]
Moonstone [Anery Lavender]

Just wanted to see what you guys know/think about these names.

These are all news to me. Who made about the names? I actually think we're going a little too far here with these...I mean come on...Orchid???

 

[Nanci]

I've seen orchid already, and remember the discussion about moonstone as opposed to some other names which I've forgotten.

 

[toyah]

How many adult sunkissed lavenders are there? How many from several different lines, or are the examples out there mainly closely related?

Just wondering how much we "know" about the colour of them, surely it's ideal to know before a name is chosen...



Mind you Joe named the Diamond years ago, before Diamonds had been produced

 

[Drizzt80]

I agree it's easier to know what a Hypo Charcoal is,
but saying Phantom is cooler

I think that actually sums up my feelings pretty well. Problem is some of the names aren't cooler. :nope:

D80

 

[Voodoo]

I think that actually sums up my feelings pretty well. Problem is some of the names aren't cooler. :nope:

D80

I agree. I hate the trade name of Plasma. Ugh. I'd much rather call them Lav-bloods. Surely someone could could come up with something better than Plasma. :awcrap:

I mean, it just reminds me of people who go to the blood bank to donate plasma (which is no where near being the same color as a lavender bloodred corn snake). I just don't get it.

Most of the other trade names at least fit the description of the snake a bit.

 

[Nanci]

Who came up with plasma anyway? I guess it had something to do with being half bloodred.

 

[wade]

But a lot of the trade names don't mean anything. At least if you say lav-blood I know what you are talking about.

I guess with time we will learn them all if they don't change. Everyone knows what a Snow Corn is and you have to stop and think when someone says anery-amel.

 

[jazzgeek]

I agree. I hate the trade name of Plasma. Ugh. I'd much rather call them Lav-bloods. Surely someone could could come up with something better than Plasma. :awcrap:

I mean, it just reminds me of people who go to the blood bank to donate plasma (which is no where near being the same color as a lavender bloodred corn snake). I just don't get it.

Most of the other trade names at least fit the description of the snake a bit.

Who came up with plasma anyway? I guess it had something to do with being half bloodred.

IIRC, the "Plasma" trade name is big in Europe, and presumably, orginated there.

However, I don't think that is has anything to do with the blood component, but rather, the ionized gas.

That said, I'm not a fan of the name myself. I prefer "diffused lavender".

As for the newer tradenames - there has been an ongoing discussion on the "other site" regarding the adoption of those names. PM me if you need to be pointed in the right direction.

Phenotypically, Sun Lavs look pretty much like hypo lavs, with the exception that the "signature" sunkissed head pattern is expressed on them as well.

I have no problem with people trying out a new trade name. As always, the marketplace will decide. My PRIMARY concern are the charlatans who will completely disregard the genetic makeup (and implicitly, the breeding trials) just to get a cool name on the market. I will expose such frauds with contempt, even to the point of letting them know that their mother was a hamster, and their father smelt of elderberries.

When it comes to ignorance, I can give you a pass. When it comes to outright deception, I'll kick ass and take names, just like Chuck Norris. :grin01:

Dale

 

[CaptBogart]

I really don't mind people naming their morphs, and if they stick, so be it. I believe Chuck named the Orchid, and well, he writes the book, lol, Joe named the Diamond, and I can't remember who named the Moonstone, but for awhile it was named Glacier, but never caught on... Which is the point, if they don't catch on, the name fades away or gets replaced. As for other countries, the UK have different names for some of the morphs than we do, but thanks to the web, and books, they are becoming more uniform. It's the global community that decides, like the debate over Bloodred/Diffused and Ashey/Cinder, there are always going to be debates over names...

 

[Drizzt80]

I agree. I hate the trade name of Plasma. Ugh. I'd much rather call them Lav-bloods. Surely someone could could come up with something better than Plasma.

I've always thought Amethyst would be a great name for them, but noone's followed. :shrugs:

D80

 

[Nanci]

I think amethyst describes my lavblood Lily perfectly.

 

[Roy Munson]

I think lav-blood describes my lav-bloods perfectly.

 

[KJUN]

Most of the "new trade" names are created by people that have nothing to do with the morph in question (other than owning one) but want to feel like they actually contribute to the hobby. Of course, a name is nothing like a new morph, new mutation, or a new set of knowledge; but it is the best they can do. Soooo, they create a name, wave a flag, and feel like they have somehow altered the course of herpetoculture for the better. That's how I see it, anyway. These confusing names made by Johnny-come-latelies represent all that was embarrassing to herpetoculture with the ball python craze. It was like some cornsnajke guys looked at all the dumb stuff being done in that market and said "Hey! We can be sillier than that!"....and succeeded.....lol.

The fact that so many major breeders only give, at best, a little lip service to the "new names" shows, to me, how pointless it all is. I might reference "fire" on my site or in my posts to catch searches for that term (yes - that is why I do it), You can bet, though, that my cages, records, and receipts all say "albino bloodred" and not "fire." The only "granite" is on a striped-looking Rosy ratsnake. et cetera et alias. I just ignore most of these "new names" that I'm told are "the right ones" and generally call them what the originator(s) of that morph called them. They are the ones, I believe, that have the most right to name a morph. That's just me, though.

EVERYONE: Use whatever name you want - just don't expect that others have to, too. ...and be prepared to list the individual genes that make it up for the 90+% of cornsnake buyers that don't care what the morph is called as long as it (1) has the look they like and/or (2) has the genetics they want.

I mean, it just reminds me of people who go to the blood bank to donate plasma (which is no where near being the same color as a lavender bloodred corn snake). I just don't get it.

...once again.......PLASMA.....lol. [I still hate that name no matter what.]

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I like the name Plasma. But some of the other names are just... stupid.

 

[Voodoo]

I think amethyst describes my lavblood Lily perfectly.

Oooh, nice! Amethyst would fit a good number of them, but not all.

I think lav-blood describes my lav-bloods perfectly.

I still like Lav-blood the best. It reminds me of blue-blood. hehe.