Obama Has Got Some Nerve

[tyflier]

Good to have you back tyflier. :cheers:

I just couldn't stay away... :cheers:

It is a fact she will vote for Obama. She stated so. It is a fact she received a free phone. It is a fact that as she said if you're on gov entitlements you get a free phone. It is a fact she believes keeping Obama in office gets her more. Again she stated so. It is a fact entitlements encourage some not to work. It is a fact Obama has spent money hiding some of his past. Having done so it is a fact that he is being hypocritical by saying Romney should be more open. It is a fact that the MSM is liberally biased and overly PC. I missed the part where he said Obama was lying. That is not fact. He accuses him of hiding info but I didn't hear him say lying at any point.

If we're going to exploit stereotypes to support our opinions, let's at least be realistic about it. The "fact" is that the woman shown is not very likely to vote. Most people "like her" are not very likely to vote. The people being described in the video...you know...lazy slobs that can't be bothered to get out and look for a job...those that are content to "beg for scraps" from the Superior Conservatives...you know the type...NONE of those people are very likely to vote. I would be incredibly surprised if statistically more than 10% of welfare recipients actually voted. I'm not talking about the working stiff that collects a few food stamps, or the single, working mom getting MediCal for her child, I'm talking about the lady in the video and "people like her"(assuming we know anything about this human as an individual, but hey...why not play the game...)

So the video calls this group of people "votes in the pocket". I looked for statistics on the percentage of full-ride welfare recipients reporting at the polls. Couldn't find anything. If you can find a reliable source showing more than 10%, I'll retract my above statements...

So I understand correctly. It is ok for you and Michael to make assumptions not contained within but I shouldn't point out that both sides spew drivel because it was not verbatim in the thread?

I made no assumptions. My arguments are not the same as Michael's. We may be on the same side, but we do not have the same arguments.

I didn't state anywhere anything Romney was doing was good, bad or otherwise. You should heed your own advice and stick to the facts.

I'd like to know what Obama paid to conceal. Evidently it wasn't very well concealed, or else it is just another in a string of unfounded accusations that have plagued the entire Presidency.

I also never stated that I thought Obama was a good President. I think he was better than McCain would have been, and I think he's better than Romney will be. That doesn't mean I think he's a good President...

It really is good to see you back. That part was intended heart felt.

We've always been respectful, passionate, and insightful with each other. You always make me stop to think before typing. It really is good to be back...

 

[tyflier]

Just a shot in the dark.

Ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq... Never happened, our troops are still over there fighting, on both fronts. In fact I have friends in both theaters right now, getting shot at, and having to shoot back.

You might be right about this, but hey...GWB declared victory 6 years ago, didn't he?

Closing Gitmo.... Never happened, and that is what he said he was going to do the moment he took office...

As I recall, that was blocked. He tried, it failed. I don't have a perfect memory, so I conceded I may be wrong, but I think I remember an effort, at least...

Making healthcare more affordable.... Has not happened.... I know someone personally who has stated, if Obamacare fully goes into effect she and her family will no longer be able to afford her dialysis or the Kidney transplant that she has been on the list for 2 years for.

Where did this person get this information? "Obamacare", or whatever you want to call it, does not and will not pre3vent tratments, nor deny existing patients necessary treatments. I don;t know how your friend came up with that, but I would be willing to bet it is an at least partially flawed statement...

So, there are a couple of lies for you. Also, the man is a politician, he is a liar by trade, and it comes with the territory. Anyone who thinks that any politician is telling the truth all the time is delusional. I would go so far as to say that politicians probably tell the truth about 20% of the time, the rest is lies.

On this we are in 100% agreement. :cheers: