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Ok, so what am I looking at here....

I was really hoping for some hypo lavenders. I have another female that should produce maybe, hopefully, if Murphy is liking me, at least one, hypo lavender stripe or hypo lavender motley. So I still have a chance. Believe me, I am not looking the gift horse in the mouth this season.

Hypo Lavender X Hypo het lavender should have yeilded me a 50/50 hypos and hypo lavenders. In a perfect world of course. I want to believe what I have here are two hypos, very interestingly bright ones, and a hypo amel. But where on God's green earth did these TWO come up with the amel gene??? If that is so, the one that I pictured as DOA, is a Hypo Opal :shrugs::confused::cry:

Nate Ellis produced the mother and didnt have any amel in his hypo lavender project, and the ACR clearly states back to his parents as being a hypo lavender with NO hets.

I am happy with the amel gene in there. I guess depending on what the hypo lavender stipe projects shows, I might use a different male next year. Oh yeah, I have a sister too, a Normal het hypo lavender, is she het amel as well :shrugs: More fun projects to get what I want! LOL

If anyone has any ideas what is going on that I may have missed, please let me know. They are strange looking hypos thats for sure.
 
Well PJ, here's what I think happened. I think your "hypo" is actually an ultramel. And some where in the lavenders lines there was amel. Considering the clutch size, the odds were just not with you to prove out if the ultramel is actually het lav this time around. You know how it goes, het's can show up or not. I have 18 eggs hatch yesterday from a snow het lava X Anery het lava amel. I didn't get a single lava. Heck, the beast didn't even give me a snow this year. Any way, I'd say try her again next year and see what happens. :)
 
We have enjoyed watching "Abby" grow up. She is just so different for a hypo but I love her. I was just thrown with these pippies.

Would you tend to say the hypos are really ultras het hypo lavender? What the heck is that white/peachy thing then? I think that one would have proven her het lavender. Dad has been proven NOT het anery with a lavender het anery a few different years.

This is crazy :crazy02:

I have a motley male het hypo lavender stripe but not het amel. So I am told...lol Oh well, I can use dad again too.
 
PJ, I honestly think your "hypos" are indeed ultramels hey hypo lav. The baby that was dead, would have much less color due to being deceased. But it appears that it was an amel of some sort. I belive that we can breed and breed one line of snakes for years and think we know every thing about it's line. But that doesn't mean that some where long ago, one ancestor didn't carry a gene that passed over or skipped so many generations. Kind of like how being left handed skips family members and only shows up at certain times. I think what you are looking for will show up next time. Let's just hope she gives more eggs to help your odds. I personally would not breed her to a different male. What you have there might yeild you some ultramel hypo lavs or ....
 
Great, just what I need, more genes and a kick of ultramel to boot. :crazy02:

What does a girl have to do to get a hypo lavender baby around here...:roflmao:

I get what you mean Becky, I should keep her to the hypo lavender male.

I guess this could be fun. And BTW, what the heck would a ultramel hypo lavender look like...:roflmao: Another one to raise and breed back. I better not mess up the opal project with this one or I could have questions and unsure homo showing animals.

I think I have another project to sit on. FUN FUN FUN
 
WOW I got a headache after reading all of this. I'm bumfuzzled!! That one that was so light and DOA woulda been gorgeous, or so it looks.

We had a christmas batch last year that threw everything. We didn't know the hets of either parent and just assumed we'd have normals, maybe an amel or anery. We came out with hypo van stripes, ghost stripes, snow stripes, ghost motley, amels, Amel motleys, etc. We had one to die out of that clutch (and her/his colors hadn't lessened bc I was right there to see it when it died) and I have no idea what morph it woulda been. It was a real light, but yet bright pink, peachy color motley. Very different looking. Anyways, I feel your pain!! Good luck on getting you a hypo lav! Let the fun continue!
 
Um, I see regular hypos, and who says that light one in the egg isn't a hypolav? The morph wasn't first called "mocha" for nothing. I would like to see another photo of that one once it is out of the egg. I've posted a photo of an '08 hatchling prior to his first shed (and his sisters of the same morph were even darker) and then earlier this spring. He's not hypo, but if I took the next couple of hours and searched my older photos, I could probably find a hypolav of similar color to your light one in the egg. And you really can't judge the color of any hatchling that was dead in egg.
 
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Here at the best photos I can do right now. They wont sit still and I dont want to stress them out. Besides, this hypo amel something or other is hard to take a photo of. Flash just totally changes its appearance.

Let me know what you think Susan and of course, everyone else is welcome to give me their thoughts too.

PJCR044-01f is the first one out of the egg.
 

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The second "hypoish" one is now out as well. Looks a lil different.

PJCR044-02
 

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And the stange one, bright pastel orangish thingy! :shrugs:

The flash does not good at all with lil one, last pic.

PJCR044-03
 

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PJ, honestly to me, it looks like the light DIE one was eithier an amel or an opal.. I am sure you have hatched enough amels to notice sometimes they don't have all there pigment we would expect, and that after one or two sheds we start seeing the pigmentation changes ..

This last guy you posted I think is a very nicely coloured opal, perhaps a hypo opal, but we know that amel masks hypo.. IMHO, no one has yet produced a hypo amel that makes me scream hypo right away.. Those hypos look like what I had for hypos het for lavender, and I personal think, what we are seeing is some very nice looking hypos produced and not ultra based.. Suppose you could find out simply enough next year and get each one an amel to breed with...

Regards... Tim of T and J
 
PJ@PJCReptiles said:
The second "hypoish" one is now out as well. Looks a lil different.

PJCR044-02
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ooooooooooooo-my goodness.........:dancer:
no idea what the heck it is...but it sure is purdy!....It looks kinda Hypo-ish to me!.....

..............but its an ugly thing you don't need...best to just send it home w/me....I'll take the grunt...;) ;) ;)

CONGRATS ON BEAUTIFUL BABIES....


~~'Manda
 
That last one might just be an opal. Here is a pic of my opal as a hatchling.

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TandJ said:
PJ, honestly to me, it looks like the light DIE one was eithier an amel or an opal.. I am sure you have hatched enough amels to notice sometimes they don't have all there pigment we would expect, and that after one or two sheds we start seeing the pigmentation changes ..

This last guy you posted I think is a very nicely coloured opal, perhaps a hypo opal, but we know that amel masks hypo.. IMHO, no one has yet produced a hypo amel that makes me scream hypo right away.. Those hypos look like what I had for hypos het for lavender, and I personal think, what we are seeing is some very nice looking hypos produced and not ultra based.. Suppose you could find out simply enough next year and get each one an amel to breed with...

Regards... Tim of T and J
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Thanks Tim! Dad is a Hypo Lavender, we got from Brent. The mom is a Hypo het lavender. So when I saw that last one, I was totally thrown off my stool! If it is opal it has to be a hypo opal because both parents are hypo based, correct?

I guess time will tell us more. It is similar coloration to the group of opals I hatched last year that are now so darn pink.

*salAMANDA88* said:
ooooooooooooo-my goodness.........:dancer:
no idea what the heck it is...but it sure is purdy!....It looks kinda Hypo-ish to me!.....
..............but its an ugly thing you don't need...best to just send it home w/me....I'll take the grunt...;) ;) ;)
CONGRATS ON BEAUTIFUL BABIES....
~~'Manda
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Has to be at least a Hypo! They are nice looking. I am waiting for them to shed to give them a good look over. Thank you Amanda! xoxo

*salAMANDA88* said:
.........what the heck is -03!!??
:shrugs:
AWESOME!!
~~'manda
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PJCR-our stock prefix, 001 was our first clutch that we produced. This was our 44th clutch. And the -03 is the number it was in the clutch...1,2,3,4, and so on. f=female and m=male. Think you have it now? After all the shows you have helped at and all the hatchlings you and your mother have bought or adopted and now you are asking that question? LOL

Arpolis said:
That last one might just be an opal. Here is a pic of my opal as a hatchling.
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Thank you for the Opal vote, that would make it a HYPO OPAL! :dancer:
 
*salAMANDA88* said:
.........what the heck is -03!!??
:shrugs:
AWESOME!!
~~'manda
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OH, silly me...you wanted to know what morph that one is :roflmao::bang:

It does not seem to have albino/amel eyes, but I will wait to compare its eyes to Mango, hypo amel het anery, ph charcoal and to my opal female. (damn, that opal needs a name...lol)
 
044-01 looks like the classic hypo.
044-03 sure looks like an opal...red eyes and nice light orangey saddles.
044-02 is a weird one. It's definitely not homozygous amel, but with all that orange, it just doesn't look like to be in the "normal" range of hypo lav coloration. However, it could be on the extreme edge of the colorful hypo lavs and you are one lucky person!
 
Thanks Tim! Dad is a Hypo Lavender, we got from Brent. The mom is a Hypo het lavender. So when I saw that last one, I was totally thrown off my stool! If it is opal it has to be a hypo opal because both parents are hypo based, correct?
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Indeed PJ, it has to be hypo if both parents were homo for it.. Nice clutch of pippies...

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
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