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Oooh Sunkissed?

DMong said:
And it was all going so well up until this part, then I went into pure disappointment mode. But at least the electric blue corn would be a very obvious hybrid as long as there were no bogus by-product fairly typical offspring ever produced.

Not to worry though, Carpe and many others would be very impressed and excited to know it was another man-made hybrid "cornsnake". :awcrap:


~Doug
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Beating a dead horse DragonsDen? Looks like its only beating a dead horse when I state pro-hybrid opinions. Anyone else can get away with beating a dead horse anti-hybrid all day long and even give an :awcrap: at that end of their statements....
But in all seriousness, I understand that the mindset you have where its okay to allow one kind of opinion to be voiced, but not others.
 
Dragonsden, don't answer.
I reported the above post because I could have sworn Carpe was blue fonted by Susan earlier in regards to his hybrid ramblings.
 
It's more of the mindset where I'm sick of every discussion turning into a hybrid discussion. And believe it or not - I like hybrids. Obvious hybrids, anyway. I just don't go into every thread turning it into a hybrid discussion.

On the topic of sunkissed (y'know, the actual topic of this thread), my SK boy doesn't have quite the usual SK head pattern and some of his saddles aren't quite as uniform as the others. It's really a fascinating morph with how it affects colour, pattern, head pattern, etc.
 
starsevol said:
Dragonsden, don't answer.
I reported the above post because I could have sworn Carpe was blue fonted by Susan earlier in regards to his hybrid ramblings.
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Seriously? Wow! Report someone for responding with his own opinion when others have so clearly voiced their opinion on hybrids in this very thread and even referenced me when doing so? Now, that my friend is petty. Not only am I not allowed to respond when I am being picked on/singled out, but I'm not allowed to voice an opinion on hybrids when others are clearly voicing their opinion. Yeah, Starsevol, that makes all the sense in the world in your world... I'm sure.
 
Carpe Serpentis said:
Of course, you could simply release it into the wild and then "find" it in the wild and claim you had simply discovered a new corn... or drop it off at the local pet store and someone would pick it up and breed with it claiming they had discovered a new morph at the local petco/petsmart. I've heard of crazier things happening. Hybridizers may not be liked by all, but there is most assuredly more hybridizing going on than many people may realize as people have been hybridizing for a very, very, very long time.:bounce:
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Figures that you would be the one to pop in here with a deceitful suggestion like that. And you're right, those are the very reasons why those types of disgusting people are despised by me and many others in the snake hobby.

I'm betting when you read the comment, it was like doing an entire handful of viagra for you and you coudn't even begin typing fast enough. :boring:
 
Carpe.....in case you didn't understand what the name of the forum was that you joined to ramble about hybrids 24/7 (and even in your sleep as you mentioned before), it's called "cornsnakes.com",..not endless hybrid rantings.com
 
DMong said:
Figures that you would be the one to pop in here with a deceitful suggestion like that. And you're right, those are the very reasons why those types of disgusting people are despised by me and many others in the snake hobby.

I'm betting when you read the comment, it was like doing an entire handful of viagra for you and you coudn't even begin typing fast enough. :boring:
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I was not being serious. As if that could even be thought to be the case.... One would have to be completely fruit loops to suggest such a thing in an open forum and be serious imho. Hybridizing I agree with, however I also think hybridizers and breeders alike should keep accurate records of their hybrids in as much as knowing the parentage/lineage is important to them. I think hybridizers and breeders are both capable of keeping accurate records which is why I think the whole argument that hybridizers are polluting the pure gene pool is a faulty one. I think that breeders not knowing what they are breeding with is the fault. Improper record keeping is to blame. Always so quick to blame the hybridizer. Now, I will accept the fact that hybrids and pure specimens can escape into the wild and breed with wild specimens. Now, that I could agree with.
 
"I think that breeders not knowing what they are breeding with is the fault"

Gosh, and why do you think that is? (facepalm)
 
DMong said:
Carpe.....in case you didn't understand what the name of the forum was that you joined to ramble about hybrids 24/7 (and even in your sleep as you mentioned before), it's called "cornsnakes.com",..not endless hybrid rantings.com
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I don't believe I was the one that mentioned hybrids first in this thread or even my name Dmong,... but I think we both know who did both of those things. As for corn snakes, I love them. I also like hybrids. The two are not incompatible ideas.
 
Warning: No infractions will be issued...unless it is to those goading Carpe. There was absolutely no reason for his name to be mentioned in the way it was and honestly, his post was a good response to the post he quoted. Any further such comments, anywhere, will be dealt with as troll baiting, for lack of a better term. ENOUGH!!!
 
DMong said:
"I think that breeders not knowing what they are breeding with is the fault"

Gosh, and why do you think that is? (facepalm)
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Breeders not knowing what they are breeding with is simply lack of records. If one kept accurate records and only dealt with others that kept the same there would not be inaccurate breeding records. Does that make sense? (facepalm)?
Its like breeding with an unknown and then getting upset that it was indeed... of unknown origin.
 
Records are only as accurate as the person creating them. And in the world of corn snakes, recorded history doesn't go that far back in many cases. Even the ACR was only started in 2005.
 
Susan said:
Records are only as accurate as the person creating them. And in the world of corn snakes, recorded history doesn't go that far back in many cases. Even the ACR was only started in 2005.
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I agree 100% with this Susan. Anytime you trust another person to be accurate and or honest in their dealings with you you also open yourself and your own records to their dishonesty or simple inaccuracy as well. There are many variables, but I think the ACR is and will be instrumental to keeping accurate records that we can all learn from and be proud to have as a source of information and lineages.
 
I must reply just because it was my fault the whole hybrid thing started in this thread (because I saw the amazingly BLUE cornsnake in someones avatar)
I personally would never try to pass a hybrid off as a pure corn....
anytime one would be offered for sale it would be labeled as exactly what it is. And me wanting to do this project is for ME not for everyone else.
As far as coming down on Carpe, sorry I even mentioned your name, I only did because I knew you'd be an awesome partner to have in a project such as this. ANYWAY. That is really all I have to say. In all honesty I know where anti hybrid people are coming from - in a way. But I don't think it is such a problem as long as people who do it are honest about it.
 
ChannyB said:
I must reply just because it was my fault the whole hybrid thing started in this thread (because I saw the amazingly BLUE cornsnake in someones avatar)
I personally would never try to pass a hybrid off as a pure corn....
anytime one would be offered for sale it would be labeled as exactly what it is. And me wanting to do this project is for ME not for everyone else.
As far as coming down on Carpe, sorry I even mentioned your name, I only did because I knew you'd be an awesome partner to have in a project such as this. ANYWAY. That is really all I have to say. In all honesty I know where anti hybrid people are coming from - in a way. But I don't think it is such a problem as long as people who do it are honest about it.
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It wasn't you ChannyB, and no hybridizer worth his salt would try to pass off a hybrid as being pure in my opinion. You would do things in an honest way and that is all you can be responsible for. I like your sentiments and I too would love to be in cahoots with you.
 
Wow so this topic got kinda crazy lol! Thanks for everyone's input, I will be breeding her in the future (hopefully I can find a male sunkissed to prove her out) but I am content in calling her a sunkissed. Her babies will be for my own personal projects anyways, so they probably won't have het sunkissed listed when the extras are sold, so no mislabeling!

I'll definitely try and grab some better pics once she's shed!
 
I love the sunkissed babies and I'll be excited for you to see what your babies bring you. I definitely like the idea of finding a male sunkissed as well. Good plans and a bright future in those babies of yours.
 
She's going to be a busy lady when she gets bigger. There's so much I wanna do with Sunkissed - cinder, charcoal, diffused, amel, anery, anything striped lol. Was hoping she'd be a male, but is popping female. Ooh well, better to have too many females than too many males right?
 
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