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Pearl??
- Thread starter Shinjukou
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CornCrazy
What's one more???
I think they can have either personality or a mix between the two. My kingsnakes are no more aggressive than my cornsnakes, though.
Please check with the breeder to find out if the snake is a hybrid. If it is a hybrid, then you will have to be VERY responsible and make certain that ALL of its offspring are sold as hybrids, and that the people buying them from you know to sell all of their offspring as hybrids as well.
Please check with the breeder to find out if the snake is a hybrid. If it is a hybrid, then you will have to be VERY responsible and make certain that ALL of its offspring are sold as hybrids, and that the people buying them from you know to sell all of their offspring as hybrids as well.
CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
Uhhhhh..........
Either your seller is the luckiest breeder in the world, or he/she doesn't have a clue and is feeding you a big whopper.
I'm not a math whiz, but the odds of two Okeetee parents dropping that double-homozygous OPal offspring has got to be extremely small. Please don't take this post personally. (I don't mean to kill the messanger here.) BUT..........that is a little hard to believe!
All the same, it is a very nice corn.
Either your seller is the luckiest breeder in the world, or he/she doesn't have a clue and is feeding you a big whopper.
I'm not a math whiz, but the odds of two Okeetee parents dropping that double-homozygous OPal offspring has got to be extremely small. Please don't take this post personally. (I don't mean to kill the messanger here.) BUT..........that is a little hard to believe! All the same, it is a very nice corn.
Darin Chappell
Very Senior Hillbilly
Well, the statisical probabilities are no smaller for this combination of two simple recessive genes than would be true for any other combination. Two animals het for amel and anery will produce one snow out of every sixteen offspring (statisically speaking), and the same 1/16 ratio would be true for two normals both which were het for lavender and amel.
So, while it isn't mathematically improbable by any means, it is something to ask the breeder. Just what genes do those adults carry? Who knows, your animal may even be het for something else of which you are currently unaware!
So, while it isn't mathematically improbable by any means, it is something to ask the breeder. Just what genes do those adults carry? Who knows, your animal may even be het for something else of which you are currently unaware!
CAV
Dazed and Cornfused
I knew someone would chime in....
Darin,
I whole-heartedly agree with the logic of your dh argument. However, I find it hard to shallow that "Okeetee" parents dropped a double homo Amel Lav snake. It would be far more palatable IF the snake in question was a Snow v. an Opal. I would suspect that the "Okeetee" parents might actually be dh Normals. Of course, I could be wrong.......
Clear as mud??
Darin,
I whole-heartedly agree with the logic of your dh argument. However, I find it hard to shallow that "Okeetee" parents dropped a double homo Amel Lav snake. It would be far more palatable IF the snake in question was a Snow v. an Opal. I would suspect that the "Okeetee" parents might actually be dh Normals. Of course, I could be wrong.......
Clear as mud??
Looking at The Cornsnake Manual...there is a pic of an "pearl" corn. To me it looks nothing like the snake that Shinjukou has posted. The one in the book doesn't even have a faint pattern where his you can see the saddles pretty well. What exactly was he bred to? Was he ever bred to a snow corn to rule him out as that? Not to say it couldn't be a opal, but to me it looks like a snow with some reduced pattern.
Charlene Dourty
Charlene Dourty
The sad truth of the matter is that we have reached the point that where we are going to be getting a lot of corn snakes showing up that it will be pretty nearly impossible to tell exactly what it is without extensive breeding trials. Even when I have a complete lineage of my hatchlings, MANY critters will hatch out each season that I just don't have any idea what they really are.
To look at a photo of a snake picked up at a local show, or from a breeder whom got some animals from who knows where and hatched out something unusual, is going to be a futile exercise to try to correctly and accurately identify it.
It is going to be very tempting for people selling such things to take a long shot at a guess and just pick a name from what they THINK are the possibilities. This in turn will propagate information that is probably incorrect if that animal is passed onto another owner with that label along with it. Then when that animal is bred to another, possibly having the same sort of labeling history behind it, there is no way in the world anyone will even be able to guess at what the offspring may be.
The days when the only (easy) choices were:
To look at a photo of a snake picked up at a local show, or from a breeder whom got some animals from who knows where and hatched out something unusual, is going to be a futile exercise to try to correctly and accurately identify it.
It is going to be very tempting for people selling such things to take a long shot at a guess and just pick a name from what they THINK are the possibilities. This in turn will propagate information that is probably incorrect if that animal is passed onto another owner with that label along with it. Then when that animal is bred to another, possibly having the same sort of labeling history behind it, there is no way in the world anyone will even be able to guess at what the offspring may be.
The days when the only (easy) choices were:
- Normal
- Amelanistic
- Anerythristic
- Snow
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are long gone.
WOW!! Didn't know I'd be starting such an intense discussion here!!
I know how difficult it is these days to try to classify something when the groups of classifications keep getting bigger and more in-depth. All I am trying to do here is see if what I've been told about my corn is true or not. It's very difficult to even get a good picture of him . . and YES, he does appear to have saddle patterns in the pics . . but pics are pics . . and although he has a faint pattern, in reality it is NOT that prominent - just seems to show up more in the pictures. Also, you can't see the iridescent gleam his scales have in the pictures. As of now, with all the information I've been given, all I can do is ask more questions. So, I thank you all for your opinions, expert advise, and thoughts on my situation and I'll be probing more into the genetics of my corn on my own.
Oh, and just FYI . . for those of you who grouped him as a lavender . . when he sheds, his faint colorations are unmistakably BLUE, not gray or lavender . . just an interesting little tidbit . .
I know how difficult it is these days to try to classify something when the groups of classifications keep getting bigger and more in-depth. All I am trying to do here is see if what I've been told about my corn is true or not. It's very difficult to even get a good picture of him . . and YES, he does appear to have saddle patterns in the pics . . but pics are pics . . and although he has a faint pattern, in reality it is NOT that prominent - just seems to show up more in the pictures. Also, you can't see the iridescent gleam his scales have in the pictures. As of now, with all the information I've been given, all I can do is ask more questions. So, I thank you all for your opinions, expert advise, and thoughts on my situation and I'll be probing more into the genetics of my corn on my own.
Oh, and just FYI . . for those of you who grouped him as a lavender . . when he sheds, his faint colorations are unmistakably BLUE, not gray or lavender . . just an interesting little tidbit . .
Believe me I understand. It is hard to get an acurate pic of a snake in question and then have people tell you what they think about it. I also have a snake in question, though I believe mine is a little easier to predict. You can read about it here:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8323
Do you have any idea what he was bred to in the past?
Thanks Charlene
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8323
Do you have any idea what he was bred to in the past?
Thanks Charlene
pinatamonkey
Ophidiophile
Umm, you don't have to answer if you don't want to, but how much did he cost? Hatchling opals nowadays cost over $100 (Serpenco has them priced at $200). An adult normally costs a few times more than a hatchling - especially with a 'new' morph. If he cost less than a few hundred dollars, I'd have to doubt he really is an opal.
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
I don't know where this fits into the discussion, but it does comment on the variablitiy of snow corns. I had an amel het anery bred to a snow corn male last year, and recently I got to view one of the offspring I sold to a student. Based on looks, this snow corn could pass for a snake with some heavy heavy lavender influence. Out of all the snow corns I have seen, this one is amazing! The saddles are a typical light pink/yellow in color, but the background color is a definite lavender. The yellow down the sides are a canary yellow shade that I have seen more on charcoals than anerys/snows. I have no reason to believe either/both snakes are het for charcoal. This is one gorgeous snake, and I'm trying to find a way to trade back for her, or at the least to 'borrow' her in a year to breed to a lavender male just to see what happens. If I'm able to get pictures of this beauty I will definitely post them, but it does lend argument to people selling snakes that look awesome as some new morph. In my opinion, this snake could fetch a higher dollar if seen sitting at a table, but is just a regular snow.
D80
D80