pied-sided bloodred vs bloodred

[mario5021089]

can anyone help me with the differences between pied-sided bloodred and bloodred? In terms of genetics and with photos since google is proving uncooperative.

thanks in advance

 

[Shiari]

A bloodred is a selectively bred diffused for a rich, deep red color. Pied-sided is a trait wherein the genetics are not fully understood and there are multiple equally viable hypotheses. But what the trait does is cause varying amounts of patches of white to appear on the sides of the snake. This trait only appears in animals that are diffused.

 

[mario5021089]

so a piedsided bloodred with no white showing would look like a bloodred?

 

[Nanci]

Pretty much, except the snake's sides would most likely be completely patternless, and the snake might be a more brilliant red, as compared to a dark red. It appears that the pied effect is variable from zero to quite a bit.

 

[SMDminnesota]

Super interesting. Is there a place online to find hatchling records at all? I think some numbers would be fun to look at.

Also, what are the explanations of inheritance? I think I remember reading something on here about incomplete penetrance (zero expression pied). Then again, I see a lot of "het pied" listings.

 

[Shiari]

My personal pet theory is that it's tied to high diffusion and isn't so much a separate gene as a natural effect of the extreme diffusion that is so very prized.

 

[mario5021089]

one more question

i was interested in plain bloodred to start with, but for some reason these are cheaper.
would the no/low white expression babies have a chance to produce high white if bred together? would you breed snakes from the same clutch together? or would it be better to buy another corn (found plain bloodreds from another clutch but dont have pied gene)?
i know that people do it just asking opinions.

 

[Nanci]

You're better off breeding non- to low-expression pieds to each other. If you outcross to a bloodred from a non-pied line, you would probably not get any pied babies in the first generation. You can possibly get a high-expression pied from low-expression parents- the high amount of white on parents isn't an absolute guarantee of high-expression offspring.

There are a couple different "lines" of pied- you'd have to do more research about if they are compatible or not. I can't remember. One line is McDonald.

It's okay to breed siblings, depending on if their parents and grandparents were also siblings. If they produce defects, then don't breed them together again. In _my_ experience, I have not had genetic problems breeding siblings; but I have had some defects with distantly-related snakes. It's also a good idea to outcross if you can.

It's probably just a fluke that you've found pieds that are cheaper than regular bloodreds. But low-expression pieds run just about the same as "plain" bloodreds, usually. This time of year you'll run into people trying to clear out last year's babies for this year's, out-of-egg sales, and people with the first hatchlings of the year, commanding a higher price. You just have to shop around, but let the reputation of the breeder and the quality of the animal be the deciding factor, rather than who has the cheapest price.

 

[mario5021089]

thanks a lot for all your help!

unfortunately in hungary they NEVER even say the hets, so ''lines'' pf.. they just forget about them. It's a miracle i found these with hets!! And only found 2 breeders/sellers that have bloodreds, the snakes will probably be related in some way..

i'll have to see the snakes in person and will decide then!


thanks again Nanci!