michieldewit
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can someone explain to me how you get pied sided morphs?
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pied sided?
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crackerhead
Hug Free Zone
P/S acts as a recessive gene. It is most commonly seen in Diffused animals.
Terri
Terri
JimGERcream
German efficiency
What? Since when???
My breeding trials show that it most likely acts codom with bloodred animals, but not recessive. I've gotten visible pieds in nearly each pied x nonpied bloodred breeding.
fyrefocks
Nate lover
If it were codom then you'd have gotten pieds from EVERY pied x nonpied pairing that you did. And if it were really codom then there would be a super form.
Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
Not necessarily. Could just be bad odds.
Then maybe just dominant or incomplete dominant then?
fyrefocks
Nate lover
Incomplete maybe. I haven't done enough pied pairings to have a real opinion yet. Maybe next year.
As far as bad odds, that crap may work for ball breeders (smaller clutch size and whatnot), but given that the average corn clutch is in the double digits, I refuse to believe it's bad luck that not a single baby would show a gene that it's supposedly inherited by roughly 50% of the clutch.
Bad odds is pairing a tess to a nontess and getting only 5 tesseras out of 17 hatchlings.
JimGERcream
German efficiency
Some breeders have the opinion pied is hom masque + hom diffused/bloodred. That would explain the high numbers of pied which show up in pied x blood pairings and the abstinence of pied in some pied x bloodred pairings. I produced pieds from a project I started in 2006 where for sure no pied was involved in the p-generation lineages. In my opinion all bloods with those incredible diffused laterals and these weird translucent bellys are already piedsided and these white lateral areas are just a high expression of that morph.
Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
No bad odds in corns is getting 1 homo in a clutch of 25 babies from a homo x het, which has happened to me. Or getting a 17 egg clutch that is all male, which has happened, too. After you have a few clutches with odds like that, you become a little more accepting that other results could be explained by terrible luck (however unlikely).
And I don't really have an opinion one way or the other, just simply saying there are other explanations as well.
fyrefocks
Nate lover
I'm 100% yet. It could still go the other way. It's just unlikely.
However, it would explain how I ended up with pieds in the first generation of my amber pied project. The sire is a hypo pied het anery. The dam was sold to me as an amber poss. homo blood. Got her for 45$ when amber bloods were 250$. Made me happy. But I digress. The pairing produced 21 fertile eggs. All hatched. About 9 or 10 were pied. Most of them being low expression or almost no expression, but I kept a couple that are almost medium expression for myself.
The next couple years here will be fun. And maybe I'll have more to say then.
However, it would explain how I ended up with pieds in the first generation of my amber pied project. The sire is a hypo pied het anery. The dam was sold to me as an amber poss. homo blood. Got her for 45$ when amber bloods were 250$. Made me happy. But I digress. The pairing produced 21 fertile eggs. All hatched. About 9 or 10 were pied. Most of them being low expression or almost no expression, but I kept a couple that are almost medium expression for myself.
The next couple years here will be fun. And maybe I'll have more to say then.
Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
Yes, could go the other way, but I have yet to have that "jackpot" clutch with corns. I've gotten it with bps, but not with corns. Anyways, I digress...
Yeah, I've had some pop up too with some patches of white, that resembled a low expression pied. But I wouldn't have called them pieds. I do think some of them are just really extreme examples of a nice blood and not genetically pieds. And perhaps even pieds are just a different allele of the blood gene. AFAIK, it has yet to be separated out from bloods, correct?
Yeah, I've had some pop up too with some patches of white, that resembled a low expression pied. But I wouldn't have called them pieds. I do think some of them are just really extreme examples of a nice blood and not genetically pieds. And perhaps even pieds are just a different allele of the blood gene. AFAIK, it has yet to be separated out from bloods, correct?
DragonsDenSerpents
Murphy's Guinea Pig
I got a visual low expression pied out of a "het pied" male bloodred and a hypo blood with no known pied in her lineage. Both were snakes showing high diffusion and little pattern visible. I'll be working with more pieds next year and will be pairing the mother of this pied baby up with a male that doesn't have great diffusion and no known pied lineage either to see if anything pops up.