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Shorty6

Shorty6

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I don't want anyone to get nasty on this thread, but I think it would be interesting to see other points of view.

As of now, McCain is making me want to do this:puke02:

Does he even know the impacts that off-shore impose on the environment and marine life? Not only that, has he just chosen to ignore that it would take 10-12 years to actually see any relief that drilling for that oil? Does he care? Or is he more focused on the so called 'victory in Iraq."

All I can see is another Bush in the making.
 
Shorty6 said:
I don't want anyone to get nasty on this thread, but I think it would be interesting to see other points of view.

As of now, McCain is making me want to do this:puke02:

Does he even know the impacts that off-shore impose on the environment and marine life? Not only that, has he just chosen to ignore that it would take 10-12 years to actually see any relief that drilling for that oil? Does he care? Or is he more focused on the so called 'victory in Iraq."

All I can see is another Bush in the making.
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Seriously? Are we never supposed to drill for oil in/near the US? What is Obama's plan for this? To check tire pressure? LoL. China and India are consuming huge amounts of oil....this is going to be a continuing problem. It needs to be addressed.

Obama is in way, way over his head. It's actually scary.

While I am not a fan of McCain (he's a closet liberal, imo), he's the republican nominee and I will vote party line. I just hope he makes a good selection on his running mate.
 
I'm with Joejr. on this... No real answer by Obama on the issues... and heaven forbid if you ask him to explain because then, you're a racist.

I also agree that McCain isn't much better. On a scale from 1-10 (with 10 being the best), McCain is about a 4 and Obama is somewhere in the negatives.

Out of 300 million people in the US, the best candidates we have are these two? Sheeesh!!!

Again, voting will be choosing the lesser of two evils...
 
McCain for President!
Not that he is the best choice but Obama will just be too much of a change for our country.
 
Hoo boy, touchy subject. I am not affiliated with any political party. My feeling and belief, however, is that Obama has the vision and represents the best chance to unite people--his vision is much greater than McCain's. IMO, McCain is just another version of Bush and that, frankly, is quite frightening to me--not to mention how many times he's contradicted himself. Change may be scary, but it is exactly what we need.

Being married to a Swiss guy for 23 years now, I've had a number of visits overseas. Everyone should have an opportunity to be immersed in other cultures, and I'm not referring to a state of war. It changed the way I viewed the world. Many Americans have a very narrow focus and don't have a world-embracing vision.

Regarding Iraq, here's one link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin.
 
I agree that this is a touchy subject and i also want to know how we ended up with such great choices for pres.:puke02: (sarcasm) This is a lesser of two evils and i feel that the environmental situation needs to be change drastically and fast.:realhot: A long with other problems. Obama offers great change but all of his proposals will not be completed for another 15 to 20 years umm that’s to far away and he won’t be president anymore. With McCain at least he is offering some notable change within the next few years of his pres. So i would have to go for the one who is going to make the change not start the ball rolling and hope the next guy follows through.:noevil:
 
ok, ok so we all know the 2 candidates suck, the real thing is, if you believe in the bible and actually read it you think that obama is the anti-christ, in the bible it says it would be somone from the east (Obama is muslim and lived in Afghanistan for a while at a young age) secondly it says it would be someone that we have never heard of who will gain many followers quickly... how many people heard of obama befor he decided to run for president?

Obama does have some good choices and bad things, and besides that someone in florida was already arrested for trying to assassinate him, so i think he wouldnt last to long anyway...

Mccain- War veteran, Not to bright, wants to do off shore drilling (will help our country... yes it would hurt wildlife and all but we killed alot of animals just making this country and taking the land that they lived on away).

It was actually stated by a few political people that we are extracting from iraq, we will be sending less people then we are getting back each time until we are fully out over the next year-couple of years...

We are also letting places like Russia drill in Alaska because we are not allowed to due to organizations such as PETA who dont want to endanger wildlife, while I aggree with some of PETA's ideas I believe that while we are looking for alternate sources of energy we should drill there...

On that subject I believe BMW has created a car that runs on water, the only problem is its expensive, so hopefully within the next few years (20 or more probably) we can get these water cars produced by other companies and enough created that we can actually get them at reasonable prices... The car itself runs on the hydrogen so the oxygen would actaully bond with hydrogen molecules again and make more water...

sorry for rambling but those are my views...

personally I would like to vote for Ron Paul however I must vote for Mccain.
 
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Mccain- War veteran, Not to bright, wants to do off shore drilling (will help our country... yes it would hurt wildlife and all but we killed alot of animals just making this country and taking the land that they lived on away).
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McCain himself said that the immediate relief from gas prices if we did lift the ban on offshore drilling would only be 'psychological.' The real effects of lowering prices would happen in roughly 10-12 year.

I feel like I'm the only Democrat here...
 
yea I know it would take a while for the gas price help to kick in im just saying that eventually would help... I honestly believe Obama is actually a decent candidate, but others do not think so... I personally am not democratic or republican, I would really like to vote for ron paul however he didnt make the republican ticket lol... he was a great candidate however he was for to much change taht i guess some republicans didnt like hiim lol
 
Shorty6 said:
I don't want anyone to get nasty on this thread
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As of now, McCain is making me want to do this:puke02:
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Sure you don't. Then why did you start it THAT way. What you should have said was "I don't want anyone else to get nasty" or "I I will set the 'nasty' limit, but I don't want anyone more nasty than me."
KJ
 
shed'n my skin said:
Ozzy for President!
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Kinky Friedman for President (if "Ubncle Eddie" can't run, that is!). His slogan for trying to get elected the Texas governor was "Why the Hell Not?" When asked if he supported same sex marriages, he basically replied "Sure, they have just as much right to be miserable as the rest of us!"

May the noodly master protect us!
KJ
 
This has GOT to be the first year I have ever felt like whichever way I vote will be a mistake. I don't feel at all confident that either candidate will be good for our country and though I have always voted republican I'm truly not sure WHO I am gonna vote for.

Although voting Ozzy for pres and Gene Vice pres is a darn good idea!...lol
 
qpJESTERqp said:
ok, ok so we all know the 2 candidates suck, the real thing is, if you believe in the bible and actually read it you think that obama is the anti-christ, in the bible it says it would be somone from the east (Obama is muslim and lived in Afghanistan for a while at a young age) secondly it says it would be someone that we have never heard of who will gain many followers quickly... how many people heard of obama befor he decided to run for president?
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Your facts are misleading as Dean said. Obama never lived in Afghanistan but Indonesia, and he is Christian. In addition, I've read the Bible and I don't remember it saying where the Antichrist was, but that any who don't believe are the Antichrist and to be wary of false prophets. If you know the exact passage, please inform me.

I DO know that Nostradamus (not a biblical scholar, but a prophet condemned by the church) once prophesied the Antichrist was in the west. But it's an interested conundrum for a good Christian to believe a condemned as false prophet and to use it an argument against a Presidential candidate.
 
Roy Munson said:
Obama is not a Muslim. He lived in INDONESIA for a few years as a child. Get your facts straight. YOU'RE part of the problem. The uninformed shouldn't be ALLOWED to vote.

And the bible can be interpreted to support almost any insane view a person could subscribe to...
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Exactly. Ps who cares if he has a different religious view than your own personal one anyway. I'm an atheist and I don't have a problem voting for a Christian president. And as for the short term change, my opinion is that we need change and now. But that we need to be looking long term as well. A bit of duct tape here and there isn't going to hold us together in the future.

The only way I'll be able to pick from Obama and McCain is to focus on what issues I think are most important and to pick the canidate who also focuses on those issues. I voted party-lines last time and I think that's a horribly blind way to go; I won't be making the same mistake again. All my information last time came from TV and word-of-mouth; this time, I'm doing my research and I hope everyone voting does the same.
 
qpJESTERqp;675959... how many people heard of obama befor he decided to run for president?[/quote said:
Obama delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and after that, was even then considered a viable candidate.

As Dean said, your ignorance is part of the problem.

regards,
jazz
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Roy Munson said:
The uninformed shouldn't be ALLOWED to vote.
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Would you list the factors that one should be informed upon before being allowed to vote? (Me? I think everyone should read the Federalist Papers before voting, but I bet you didn't think of those documents when you made this post.......) Include the qualifications that would determine exactly who was informed enough versus those who are only informed "almost" enough.

Obviously, this is a slippery slope that leads nowhere good. These types of statement should never be written without thinking about the FULL implications.
 
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