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Probing a male corn snake...

Tula_Montage

It's Jager time!
I thought I would try to document my methods of probing. I have used a large, very gentle adult male. I was able to do this by myself as I know his reaction to the probes, and knew he would not hurt himself when I was taking pictures at the same time. He sat very still like a true champ!

This is the surgical steel snake probe with rounded end. ( I prefer ball ends but there has been no documented evidence to suggest that this benefits the process), 1mm in diameter. Lubricated with vaseline.
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The males tail shape and cloaca.
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Holding the tail between my first finger and thumb, I gently pull back the cloaca with my thumb to expose the delicate tissue and entrance to his hemipene pocket.
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I gently inset the tip of the probe into the right side of his cloaca, applying VERY light pressure and twisting the probe to help it move in a bit deeper.
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I then continue to push the probe in deeper to find the base of his hemipene. You will feel it stop once it is all the way in, be sure not to push any further than this as it could cause internal injury. The probe should be parallel to his ventral.
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Once it has stopped, I then put my finger at the top of the probe near his cloaca and gently pull it out. I can then assess how deep the probe went in. In this case, hes a well hung boy LOL. Males generally probe 2/3 inches.
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And thats all there is to it! I may do a female and photograph it but it's not really necessary. Females tend to stop very suddenly and probe maybe 1/2 an inch at most. Please note these are my methods that I have learned from someone who has vast experience with sexing snakes. It is not wise to try it on your own with no help to hold the snake for your first time.
 
Great job Elle! Very good step by step details as well. It was cool that you had a guy that was willing to just sit there and let you probe him. Again, great job and very informative.
Jay :cool:
 
Thanks Jay and PJ. He just sat there... even when I had to move my left hand to get pictures :p I wouldn't have done that myself otherwise!
 
Yea nice guide. I find it fairly easy to identify sexes by eye....lets hope iv got it right hahaha. May have to invest in a probe. Cheers Tula
 
And the eye test is never accurate. Panther has a very short stumpy tail for a male, yet look how deep he probes...
 
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Jimmus said:
Yea nice guide. I find it fairly easy to identify sexes by eye....lets hope iv got it right hahaha. May have to invest in a probe. Cheers Tula

Hehe, I was just rereading Kathy Love's book. You know she has that photo of the four tails in a row- I, in all my "experience" now, guessed wrong on all four!

Nanci
 
Tula_Montage said:
And the eye test is never accurate. Panther has a very short stumpy tail for a male, yet look how deep he probes...
Yea you are right of course, im sure my 'by eye' sexing will come with dissapointments next year when i put together the 'Males' with the 'Females' and fine out they are all males or sumit lol
 
Nanci said:
Hehe, I was just rereading Kathy Love's book. You know she has that photo of the four tails in a row- I, in all my "experience" now, guessed wrong on all four!

Nanci
The pic on page 79? hehe yea i see what you mean. I just go by the width of the tail after the vent, but like Tula pointed out each snake will differ considerably so im sure my sexing isnt correct unless im just really lucky :)
 
LOL Joe I can only comfortably pop males. If I pop something and nothing comes out I'm still 50/50 on the sex. I like to wait until they are a bit bigger and then just probe.
 
Nanci said:
Hehe, I was just rereading Kathy Love's book. You know she has that photo of the four tails in a row- I, in all my "experience" now, guessed wrong on all four! Nanci
Jimmus said:
The pic on page 79? hehe yea i see what you mean. I just go by the width of the tail after the vent, but like Tula pointed out each snake will differ considerably so im sure my sexing isnt correct unless im just really lucky :)

Just to make sure you either have a corrected version of the book, or a correction sheet, which was sent with my book (first printing 2005 edition):

"The photo on page 79 is actually flipped 180 degrees (upside-down), which makes the caption wrong.

From left to right are: female-male-female-male"; not male-female-male-female.
 
I like it. :) I've seen all of the probing videos that are online, but having nice, up-close, step-by-step pictures is pretty valuable.
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tula_Montage again.

Thanks Elle,great thread/info.. :cheers:
 
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