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aleks

aleks

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Last year i got a male tessera het snow strip and a female snow strip from a guy her... he told me that it was proven and even given me pictures of the baby’s (had snow strip tess in pictures) …

in 3 clutch that i tested this tessera.. i didn’t get one anery or snow.... (0.1 snow strip 0.1 anery strip het blood and a 0.1 reg unknow het) had 50 eggs +/- out of those 3...

Can i give out the name of this seller (even if he sold his collection...) so people don’t get cut... he was a reputed guy her...
 
aleks said:
This question is more for moderators...

Last year i got a male tessera het snow strip and a female snow strip from a guy her... he told me that it was proven and even given me pictures of the baby’s (had snow strip tess in pictures) …

in 3 clutch that i tested this tessera.. i didn’t get one anery or snow.... (0.1 snow strip 0.1 anery strip het blood and a 0.1 reg unknow het) had 50 eggs +/- out of those 3...

Can i give out the name of this seller (even if he sold his collection...) so people don’t get cut... he was a reputed guy her...
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How many eggs were in each clutch?

Were your females 100% proven to carry those genes?

This best place for this is here: Board of Inquiry® Or actually here: Canadian Board of Inquiry®

The design of those forums is as follows:
This forum is designed to serve the purpose of giving anyone interested in the buying and selling of herptile related merchandise the opportunity to inquire about, or find already existing information concerning a person or business with whom they are considering doing business with
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female was a snow strip (not het) and another female... anery strip

40+ eggs
not one anery
 
Bad lottery odds?...

In 2001 i purchase a pair of het rainwater albino leopard geckos for 1500. I paid a broker who then had Tim Rainwater mail out the geckos. Shortly after i was told to breed them asap as many had supposedly gotten ripped of, not producing any albinos. In 2002 i got a full rainwater albino from kevin hanley and bred him to the female het. The cross resulted in 16 eggs...15 normals and the last egg to hatch was an albino. Theoretically i should have seen 50/50 since the cross was homo albino x het albino.

Over the last 11 years i've paired the same homo rainwater albino male to various females, some known to be het patternless or actual patternless. 2 years ago i paired him with a patternless and out of 12 eggs produced double hets and 2 patternless...never knew he was het til then. Genetics is funky at times.
 
we are talking about 40+ eggs in one shoot... the odds are almost impossible...

HerpsOfNM said:
Bad lottery odds?...

In 2001 i purchase a pair of het rainwater albino leopard geckos for 1500. I paid a broker who then had Tim Rainwater mail out the geckos. Shortly after i was told to breed them asap as many had supposedly gotten ripped of, not producing any albinos. In 2002 i got a full rainwater albino from kevin hanley and bred him to the female het. The cross resulted in 16 eggs...15 normals and the last egg to hatch was an albino. Theoretically i should have seen 50/50 since the cross was homo albino x het albino.

Over the last 11 years i've paired the same homo rainwater albino male to various females, some known to be het patternless or actual patternless. 2 years ago i paired him with a patternless and out of 12 eggs produced double hets and 2 patternless...never knew he was het til then. Genetics is funky at times.
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I did get your message and replied.......it makes no sense cause I produced the following: Normal, SNOW STRIPE, Tessera, possible Motley Tessera, and a Amel Stripe Tessera.

I raised that mother Snow Stripe from a baby, my girlfriend bought her for me as a birthday gift back in the fall of 2009. It was the first snake ANYONE in my life has bought me, I cherished her and I made a pact that I would breed the Tessera to her and split what ever money I made from her with my girlfriend! I produced 5 babies from 6 eggs! These are the pictures......People Know who I am......Justin aka SickPyth7 and I have been every bit of honest with no intension of hurting anyone! The reason I haven't been on since last year is because I sold all my collection and haven't had the time, but I made time for this!!! And if that is not a Snow Stripe down below then I DON'T KNOW CORNSNAKES! Alek I'm truly sorry you are not producing what you should be....I have no answers other than this is what I produced and you hold both parents now!



SNOW STRIPE

Possible Motley Tessera



Tessera het Snow Stripe
 
The answer is no, you cannot do that here. You have to go to the BOI. I will say, I have a pair of het stripes who out of 13 eggs last year didn't hatch ONE stripe.
 
aleks said:
we are talking about 40+ eggs in one shoot... the odds are almost impossible...
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I don't have a dog in this race. But I feel your pain.
I have 4.7 adult classics 100% het terrazzo, amel, caramel. In the last 3 years they have produced lots of Terrazzos, caramels, caramel terrazzos, a few amels, and 3 amel Terrazzos. Never a single butter. Never a single butter terrazzo. Ever. Out of close to a thousand eggs. The females all are double-clutchers. I KNOW butter terrazzo in there. The corncalc is a program. Nature is not a man-made digital program.
So I've held back a lot of the F2's and raise them up, since they are 66% possible het for butter terrazzo.

Can you tell us what you did hatch out?

aleks said:
This question is more for moderators...

Last year i got a male tessera het snow strip and a female snow strip from a guy her... he told me that it was proven and even given me pictures of the baby’s (had snow strip tess in pictures) …

in 3 clutch that i tested this tessera.. i didn’t get one anery or snow.... (0.1 snow strip 0.1 anery strip het blood and a 0.1 reg unknow het) had 50 eggs +/- out of those 3...
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First, you would not hatch any snows or amels from an anery het blood.

Second, regular, unknown hets. Those eggs don't even count. Why even include this?

50 babies without a visual is not a guarantee that the snake is not a het. The expected outcome of a breeding (het snow X snow) is based on statistics, and are only applicable when applied to large numbers. While it is commonly stated that one should get 25% of this, and 25% of that, the other, something else, & so forth-
applying the science to a small sample size is easier if you consider what it means on an individual basis. In this breeding, each embryo would have a 25% chance of being an anery -OR- snow.


The way things work in reality and the way a calculator tells us what mathematically might happen, are 2 different things.
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Male: Normal het Amel, Anery

Female: Snow ( Amel, Anery )

Phenotype:

1 / 4 Amel het Anery
1 / 4 Normal het Anery, Amel
1 / 4 Anery het Amel
1 / 4 Snow ( Amel, Anery )
Genotype:

1 / 4 Amel het Anery
1 / 4 Normal het Amel, Anery
1 / 4 Anery het Amel
1 / 4 Amel, Anery
 
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