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Raccoons!!!!!!!!!!

Trapping

At the lake I guess you could say some people have a groundhog problem...they tear up the yard and stuff I guess. This one lady caught a huge groundhog in a live trap. It was so cute! This big evil fat guy (who I hold a grudge against because he would always kick my dog when I was little) walked over and said he was going to shoot it. I mean I can understand why they were mad but still I just don't think it's fair to kill an animal at least when it doesn't even have a chance to escape. So I took it and let it go at some nature walk place. I mean it was their home first, y'know?
 
_Sam_ said:
At the lake I guess you could say some people have a groundhog problem...they tear up the yard and stuff I guess. This one lady caught a huge groundhog in a live trap. It was so cute! This big evil fat guy (who I hold a grudge against because he would always kick my dog when I was little) walked over and said he was going to shoot it. I mean I can understand why they were mad but still I just don't think it's fair to kill an animal at least when it doesn't even have a chance to escape. So I took it and let it go at some nature walk place. I mean it was their home first, y'know?
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We all need to realise that this planet isn't ours just because we can bully everyone else.
I don't believe we should let them walk all over us either. But as we allegedly are the ones with the brains, it's us that needs to find the compromise.
I'm welsh my country was taken over by bullies. in fact all the Celts were overrun by our invaders. A thousand years later they bullied India, China, America,Africa etc etc.Out of their countries. I feel very strongly about bullying intervention.
MIKE
 
I would agree that drowning a caged animal is pretty cruel.
But then after agreeing, I start to think of the logistics of taking a large angry raccoon out of a trap so I can kill it in a humane fashion. Then I mentally drop it right into the water. I agree it's not ideal, but my god those things can be vicious..
 
_Sam_ said:
I mean it was their home first, y'know?
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I always have mixed feelings about this kind of thinking. Yeah, it was their home first, and I generally feel the same as you do, but raccoons and groundhogs haven't been here forever. They filled an ecological niche by forcing less fit species out. Humans are about the most adaptable creatures this world has ever seen, so we've pushed many species out of many niches. I'm not proud of this, but I don't always consider it "unnatural". We've also impacted the environment such that many indigenous species have actually benefited. I'll bet that it's never been a better time to be a raccoon or groundhog in North America (or a white-tail deer either). Can't say the same for the tigers or the white rhinos, and I hope they're preserved, but that's life (or death). I'm about as bleeding-heart a liberal as they come, so don't mistake me for a habitat-destruction apologist.

And don't judge Nanci harshly either unless you're prepared to stop living in the home that likely forced wildlife to be displaced and die with its building. Or maybe you'll stop shopping at the stores and malls that did the same thing. Or maybe you'll stop buying the products that come from manufacturing centers that did the same thing AND continue to destroy what little wildlife is left...
 
tom e said:
I would agree that drowning a caged animal is pretty cruel.
But then after agreeing, I start to think of the logistics of taking a large angry raccoon out of a trap so I can kill it in a humane fashion. Then I mentally drop it right into the water. I agree it's not ideal, but my god those things can be vicious..
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FOR GODS SAKE TOM
This is not the place to be bloody realistic, I mean come on.:rolleyes:
MIKE............good point
 
For me it wasn't killing the raccoon, it was the method that was a shock. But reading what Tom said, I wonder what I'd do in that situation?
 
When I was an impoverished kid in my late teens and very early twenties, my small collection of snakes became too expensive to feed from pet store sources. So I found a woman who bred spiny mice. She sold them to me cheap, but only in large numbers, and I had to euthanize them myself. I don't know how many hundreds (or thousands?) of those mice I drowned. I figured that it was relatively quick, and I hated rodents anyway. I'd kept various species of rodents in the past, and I'd seen what horrors they were capable of inflicting on each other, so I didn't care... at first. But for some reason, it started bothering me. I ended up selling most of my snakes because I couldn't deal with it anymore.

I've whapped many against a wall since, and offered many more live since then. It's not the same thing.

Call this a confession, I guess, because it's not completely on-topic. I guess my point is that if Nanci's a bad person, then I'm at least a thousand times worse....
 
What I meant to add, is that I'm not sure how I'd react to catching something that had injured or killed one of my pets, and then there's the whole angry thing with teeth aspect too. I used to go ratting with terriers as a kid around some stables, and saw where the 'cornered rat' saying comes from. my sister rescued a young squirrel from her dog once and it thanked her by biting her hand down to the bone. I was too late to thwack it with a shovel, it ran off and up a tree, but I wouldn't know how to deal with an angry raccoon, I think I'd actually need new pants!
 
Roy Munson said:
Call this a confession, I guess, because it's not completely on-topic. I guess my point is that if Nanci's a bad person, then I'm at least a thousand times worse....
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You're right,
so it's confession time.
When I was in my 20's I had a nice big conda. right nasty thing. every Saturday a gang of us would leave the pub (they shut at 3.0pm in them days), go to the local pet shop and buy a nice cuddly bunny. Then back to my place. first came the Austin Stevens demo as I got him out of his tank.Then he was placed in my bath 1/2 full of warm water. then bunny was put in the bath for a swim,and we ran a book on how many lengths it could do.
Basically a raccoon in a cage.
It's easy to pontificate over others when your anonymous
MIKE
 
If we're doing confessions...
When I was in Iraq, there was a little base we came to that 3d ID had gotten to before us and so it was, needless to say, empty of Iraqi soldiers. However after 3d ID left, it became very occupied with dogs. Big yellow Arabian shepherd dogs mostly, but also "bomb scared" runaways which looked like pure breeds mixed into the gang. They were scared, mangy, angry and most importantly- they and their dens were sand fly infestested. This camp was to be our home for the next 6 months, so alot of details were coming up to make it liveable.


My Sergeant Major started getting a detail together to "take care of them", and you can imagine what sort of people volunteer in a heartbeat to shoot dogs. (This is how I thought of it at the time) I would hear them talk excitedly about it, and think that they should be a little less thrilled with this duty. In my mind, those who were thrilled with this detail had "no business" being on it. I even volunteered for the detail just cause I was a busybody, and wanted to make sure that they were not having too good a time, and mostly that it would be done as humanely as it could be.
The strange thing was, as I got to know the guys on the detail, my understanding of these guys changed. They were almost all hunters since they were kids. Most of them loved dogs, and to be honest, my shots to theirs? Mine were way more cruel, and I was the one with the loud "good intentions".
The Army had trained me on how to shoot a person, but not a dog. I didn't have the slightest idea as to where to put the bullet that would be kindest under the circumstances. I will always remember having shot one and seeing it run away to probably die painfully somwhere. Truly I was the one who had "no business" being on that detail.
:sobstory:

I'm not sure how that ties in. I guess to some of us city folks, a certain kind of talk is hard to hear. But we just don't know what we don't know. And lets leave it at that!
 
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snakewispera snr said:
I don't believe anyone has to explain themselves to anyone on this forum.
Protecting live stock is one thing, (ever heard of fences/cages.) but what was described here was an execution. and trapping peoples cats,
we have predators over here and hunt them down and kill them,but we don't start complaining that they've killed our pets,when we left the pets out to be eaten by gangs of raccoons,foxes.polecats,weasels,stoats,mink,buzzards rats etc etc.
MIKE
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The traps are "Have-a-Heart" box traps.The neighbors cat was released un harmed. A cat couldn't reach into the cage and grab them like a coon.House cats do kill ALOT of small mammals and song birds though.Your sweet little house cat "Fluffy" turns into a mini lion when you let him out to roam,except he just kills for fun! I've seen this cat grabbing mice near my pens before,grabs one plays with it,kills it and waits for another one.
 
_Sam_ said:
At the lake I guess you could say some people have a groundhog problem...they tear up the yard and stuff I guess. This one lady caught a huge groundhog in a live trap. It was so cute! This big evil fat guy (who I hold a grudge against because he would always kick my dog when I was little) walked over and said he was going to shoot it. I mean I can understand why they were mad but still I just don't think it's fair to kill an animal at least when it doesn't even have a chance to escape. So I took it and let it go at some nature walk place. I mean it was their home first, y'know?
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I hope YOU don't live in a house.If you do.It was ok for animals to be moved out of their "home" to make way for yours,right? I do logging and land clearing for work.We were clearing a building lot and the neighbor came over and complained that we were cutting down "his" woods.He didn't own it,the guy we were cutting it for did.I started laughing and he wanted to know what was so funny.I told him ,"Your neighbor on the other side said the same thing when we were cutting YOUR lot 2 years ago!" He didn't have an answer for me and just left. :grin01:
 
Nanci said:
Even though I had a beloved pet racoon as a teenager, I hate them. A racoon killed my pet banties, and I baited a live trap with the guts. When the mama coon got trapped, she went for a swim in the trap in the horse tank, and my last words to her were I hope your babies starve. Words cannot describe how much I hate racoons.

Nanci
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Thats just as bad as the kid stamping on the snakes head or the bloke biting the snakes head off. Call your self an animal lover. Your an evil person!!!
 
carolinacorn69 said:
Thats just as bad as the kid stamping on the snakes head or the bloke biting the snakes head off. Call your self an animal lover. Your an evil person!!!
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Oh give me a break. And anyone here who has set a trap for a mouse is an evil person?
 
carolinacorn69 said:
Thats just as bad as the kid stamping on the snakes head or the bloke biting the snakes head off. Call your self an animal lover. Your an evil person!!!
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Consider this a warning. Another post like this and you'll be banned.
 
carolinacorn69 said:
Thats just as bad as the kid stamping on the snakes head or the bloke biting the snakes head off. Call your self an animal lover. Your an evil person!!!
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While I don't agree with what Nanci did that is completely unacceptable. She was trying to protect her pets!

Though I do think we shouldn't hate or persecute wild animals for doing what they do. They're only trying to get something to eat. :)
 
I had sewer coons take up residence in the eaves of my garage a couple of years ago. Set up home and had 4 babies in there. Pooped all over my car every night. I went in there with the power washer and banged in the eaves until they ran out into the rafters and then let them have it and they would hiss and run away but always came back. Nothing worked.
Called the city animal control and they told me that they are like rats and they would not do anything. I asked if I could shoot them then with my bow and they said it was illegal. Asked if I could trap them and let them go in the state park down the road and that was illegal. BOTH garnered a $500 fine. Asked what I was supposed to do then and they said call wildlife div. and they told me the same thing.
Their solution (I laughed at the guy and asked him if he heard what he just told me to do) was to duct tape a sheet to the bottom of the garage door and have someone outside the garage with a shovel or golf club etc and then to go into the garage and open the door a few inches and secure the other end of the sheet inside the garage like a net attached to the bottom of the door. Then he said to bang on the eaves and herd them towards the door. They will run out and get caught in the sheet and then your counterpart (my wife) outside can stun them. throw them in the trunk and drive them to the country where you can shoot them (with my bow) or release them (without getting caught)
Just want I wanted to do. Driving down the road with a bunch of coons waking up and being generally pissed and getting loose in the car or trunk and then Im supposed to be able to open the trunnk without getting mauled. I called an exterminator and he set traps and cought all 6 and took them away
 
Well, all you guys should probably know that alot of my customers are fairly angry at your lot right about now.
I am at work, and all these revelations and confessions saddened me, and kept me awake all last night. Pictures of drowning animals running through my head all night and such. As a result this old lady did not get her beauty sleep and this morning my poor customers are confronted with a total hag.
Thanx a bunch, guys.
:)
 
I've been reading up on Raccoons. gone is the image of the cuddly little fella with a bandit mask.
Seems they're just rats with a good P.R.
MIKE
 
snakewispera snr said:
I've been reading up on Raccoons. gone is the image of the cuddly little fella with a bandit mask.
Seems they're just rats with a good P.R.
MIKE
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Hey hey now, don't diss my rats!
Domesticated rats really are nicer than their PR would indicate. And rats have been domesticated far longer than hamsters or gerbils. Teddy Roosevelt actually had a pet rat in the White House!
 
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