RE; sunglow

[your_only_nightmare]

well, after that HUGE thread, thought i would start a new one, heres starburstnow, who i still believe to be a sunglow

 

[Roy Munson]

well, after that HUGE thread, thought i would start a new one, heres starburstnow, who i still believe to be a sunglow

He's a sunglow now (or at least a sunglimmer ), but he wasn't one in July. Sound paradoxical? Contradictory? Welcome to the world of selectively-bred morphs. Starburst looks great.

 

[your_only_nightmare]

why thank you!

 

[jazzgeek]

Sorry, but I'm going to maintain my position that this is NOT a sunglow.

A very nice amel, mind you, but not what I'd consider a sunglow.

IMHO, the ground color is too yellow and not orange enough; of the Sunglows I've seen, the ground color is closer to the saddle color on your snake, and the saddle color is deeper, almost red-like.

Here's an example of a Sunglow Motley, as a visual explanation. (Photo gratuitously stolen from www.saltcreekreptiles.com)

regards,
jazz

 

[Dreqqus]

Doesnt the Motley gene intensify the colors???
I though a sunglow was an amel with no white. Ami I wrong there?

 

[jazzgeek]

Doesnt the Motley gene intensify the colors???
I though a sunglow was an amel with no white. Ami I wrong there?

A Sunglow is a line bred Amel with no white (*some* people don't mind a bit of white stippling), and a bright, intense orange for a ground color.

As for the motley gene's impact on color intensity, I couldn't tell you, but it may SEEM that way, given that motley impacts the ratio between saddle and ground color.

regards,
jazz

 

[your_only_nightmare]

well, he has no white, and hes not a motley...

 

[Cegninedorf]

Wow...after reading the previous thread "sunglow?" and then delving into this one out of intense curiosity to see what the fuss was all about, I must be a glutton for punishment by even posting a reply! Oh, well...

Your_only_nightmare, one question did pop into my head regarding your snake...I wondered why you purchased a hatchling versus a yearling (or older -- I'm not even quite sure when a snake's colors are done changing...I'm not even sure when my own natural hair color will be done changing! ), when the colors would more decisively point in the direction of the snake being a sunglow or otherwise? (I can totally understand if the decision to purchase a hatchling was a money-issue; I teach: I make less than "sanitation workers" do!)

However, if the issue of having a sunglow for future breeding was of the essence, then why not look for one that has the coloration/high standard coloring already well established that you desired? I guess for me, in that case, money wouldn't be an issue & waiting to have the funding would be well worth the wait...and, by the time your other snake would be ready to breed, you could find a sunglow of a comparable age that is also ready to breed.

Just a question, that's all.

 

[your_only_nightmare]

for starters, here i live, its almost impossible finding snake, lest alone adults, i have one shop, and becuase snakes are allways in and out, i would never find a adult, hence, why i have babies

 

[Cegninedorf]

Ok, that makes complete sense...ok, *deep breath*, I'm truly not here to attack you at all...

However, and I really am trying to ask this delicately because I don't want to add more fuel to the fire...what if the babies that come from this pairing don't create sunglow motleys (that's what you wanted, right?)? I just sense that you're working so hard for this and you don't want to be disappointed...especially in that your snake is possibly a sunglow or not (I'm so not an expert on that end of things that I won't touch that topic with a 10' pole!). I guess more than anything, I sense your angst about all of this, and while I know that at age 16 teens are required to be full of angst (I'm joking about you -- but I know that I was at that age!), I just wonder why it's so imperative that this snake have a "label," especially after the shop that sold him to you already labeled him a sunglow? :shrugs:

Or...is it possible to ask the shop to call you should a sunglow come in? Kind of like an advance order? (I don't know...just a thought...)

 

[your_only_nightmare]

to be honest, i dont mnd if i dont get them, eventulyl i will find a snglwo motley,

they never get orders of sunglow, there a kind of breeder, they get imports form other bredders, the only adults they have, are theer highend morphs of boas and ball pythons

 

[CMLReptiles]

You have entered a world where black is now white...where sunglows are not amels...where you worship the katy manula like a bible...welcome, to the sunlog zone

 

[diamondlil]

If you do want a sunglow, then you could try asking the owner in a certain shop in London to get one for you, that's how I got my granite, a morph I wasn't able to get myself. He brought her back from Daytona for me

 

[carol]

I agree, Sunglows should have no white, but should also have intense red/orange coloring. I've never seen a correctly labeled sunglow have a yellow background color.

After seeing how it has developed, your snake looks much more like a Creamsicle than a Sunglow.

 

[Lore]

I agree with Jazz. Its a WONDERFULLY HOT example of an AMEL, it is not a Sunglow, its ground color is not intense enough for it to qualify IMO.

PLUS your snakes looks EXACTLY like my Amel, whom I call an Amel, a fantastic example of an Amel.



I don't know why this is such a big deal to you that it be called a Sunglow...

I mean anyone here would rather have an Exquisite example of a Morph rather than to call it something else and it be a poor example of the Morph.

Need to lighten up kiddo. You have an Amel.

 

[Weebonilass]

I have to agree Lore. My local shop has some hatchlings on sale as Bloods, based on what I've seen here they are definitely not bloods. The owner called the breeder who still insists that they are bloods. They look like gorgeous normals to me with some very busy side markings. The one I held yesterday had already started to develop some reallly great reds, while others from the clutch are still dark.

They are still being sold as blood since thats what the breeder insists, but they would definitely be a credit to the the normal morph.

 

[Lore]

I have to agree Lore. My local shop has some hatchlings on sale as Bloods, based on what I've seen here they are definitely not bloods. The owner called the breeder who still insists that they are bloods. They look like gorgeous normals to me with some very busy side markings. The one I held yesterday had already started to develop some reallly great reds, while others from the clutch are still dark.

They are still being sold as blood since thats what the breeder insists, but they would definitely be a credit to the the normal morph.

The question on that one tho would be did they have plain bellies? If they did then perhaps they are Bloods, just not the best diffusion going on just yet. :shrugs: Course if there are belly checks there, then ya, probably just stunning little normals.



:-offtopic I had to laugh I went to PetLand to look at a Bunny (I didn't get one tho) and as always I peek in on their reptiles. They had 1 very tiny Amel in one tank and 1 very tiny snow in the other tank... these babies were priced at a whopping $79.99!!!! OMG! :eek1: One of the workers saw me looking at them as was like are you interested in snakes? and I was like... ya... I have a few and he went on to tell me that the Corn Snakes there were a rare form of the standard Corn Snake. I chuckled and told him that I could go to the monthly reptile expo and pick up these very snakes for $10-$15 each. :grin01:

 

[Weebonilass]

The question on that one tho would be did they have plain bellies? If they did then perhaps they are Bloods, just not the best diffusion going on just yet. :shrugs: Course if there are belly checks there, then ya, probably just stunning little normals.

They didn't have belly checkers, which the first time I saw them I thought they did- they were being put back in from feeding so I couldn't really check throughly at that time. I'm guessing it was because of their very busy side markings. But they are carrying the motley look to them, so that is my guess where the lack of checkers comes from.

And there doesn't appear to be any diffusion going on and their heads have no grey whatsoever on them.

 

[ratsncorns]

You have entered a world where black is now white...where sunglows are not amels...where you worship the katy manula like a bible...welcome, to the sunlog zone

:roflmao:


I never contributed to the sunglow thread, but I have to agree with Carol in this thread, it looks very creamsicle-ish to me too. Either way, its a beautiful snake you have there, and that is all that really matters in the end anyway, right?


:-offtopic Dean and Lore, you two are confusing me with your posts, as you have very similar avatars! :bang:

 

[PnyKlr]

:-offtopic I had to laugh I went to PetLand to look at a Bunny (I didn't get one tho) and as always I peek in on their reptiles. They had 1 very tiny Amel in one tank and 1 very tiny snow in the other tank... these babies were priced at a whopping $79.99!!!! OMG! :eek1: One of the workers saw me looking at them as was like are you interested in snakes? and I was like... ya... I have a few and he went on to tell me that the Corn Snakes there were a rare form of the standard Corn Snake. I chuckled and told him that I could go to the monthly reptile expo and pick up these very snakes for $10-$15 each. :grin01:

You're lucky. At the PetLand in Rockford, Amels go for 99.00 and snows are 125.00!