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I know nothing about the people, but, just looking at the website, I already am wary of them. IMO, it isn't a good sign when a place is casually selling Alligators, Iguanas, Snapping turtles, and Reticulated pythons... Among other species that should seriously give one pause. :shrugs:
 
Go with a reputable breeder here, you won't regret it, and if you do you'll know where to find them,lol
 
i wanted to by an armadillo lizard, but they are very hard to find, and they sell them at 25$ Im a little concern about the website i haven't bought from them, I might just keep looking. specially because they said they are located outside Idaho :uhoh:
 
Floof said:
I know nothing about the people, but, just looking at the website, I already am wary of them. IMO, it isn't a good sign when a place is casually selling Alligators, Iguanas, Snapping turtles, and Reticulated pythons... Among other species that should seriously give one pause. :shrugs:
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Why? It's up to the consumer to know their states laws, and do their research on the animals they want to purchase. They even have a blurb that states, "That's why we offer education on care and the best products to care for your new family member", sounds responsible to me to have the info available for those that want it.
There are a lot of great pet shops that sell the same animals... Ever hear of Prehistoric Pets in Cali? That place is awesome!
 
Wow, I've been checking out their site, and they have all of my top 10 lizard want list, and for great prices! I dig the Armadillo Lizards and the Crocodile Skinks and wanted them for quite a long time. They call the Croc something I haven't heard before, but they have a nice one. Did you see the Gold Tegu and Sail Fin? Those are pretty rare to find. I'm actually impressed with their selection, so if you do order from them, you'll have to give us an update.

Danielle, he's looking for a lizard not a Snake. I don't think anyone here breeds Armadillo Lizards...
 
CaptBogart said:
Why? It's up to the consumer to know their states laws, and do their research on the animals they want to purchase. They even have a blurb that states, "That's why we offer education on care and the best products to care for your new family member", sounds responsible to me to have the info available for those that want it.
There are a lot of great pet shops that sell the same animals... Ever hear of Prehistoric Pets in Cali? That place is awesome!
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And I respect that. I just have difficulty making sense of responsible herp keepers who breed and sell such species as American Alligators. I don't doubt they exist, it's "just my opinion." =)

If you buy from them, Urban, definitely keep us up to date on their service and quality. It'd be great to hear of another good herp store in the West! =)
 
CaptBogart said:
Wow, I've been checking out their site, and they have all of my top 10 lizard want list, and for great prices! I dig the Armadillo Lizards and the Crocodile Skinks and wanted them for quite a long time. They call the Croc something I haven't heard before, but they have a nice one. Did you see the Gold Tegu and Sail Fin? Those are pretty rare to find. I'm actually impressed with their selection, so if you do order from them, you'll have to give us an update.

Danielle, he's looking for a lizard not a Snake. I don't think anyone here breeds Armadillo Lizards...
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I know so maney awesome reptiles and the prices are awesome but im not sure about buying from them meaby hopefully some time soon
 
You can actually go to the BOI and ask for info on a person or company., You def got the right idea to be asking around first rather than making an impulse purchase and maybe singin the blues after.
 
Floof said:
And I respect that. I just have difficulty making sense of responsible herp keepers who breed and sell such species as American Alligators. I don't doubt they exist, it's "just my opinion." =)

If you buy from them, Urban, definitely keep us up to date on their service and quality. It'd be great to hear of another good herp store in the West! =)
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What's irresponsible about breeding American Alligators? What's irresponsible about breeding retics, burms, or 'condas? There is nothing irresponsible about bvreeding them OR selling them.

It is solely and entirely up to the buyer to nknow what they are purchasing. Breeders are in it for 2 reasons...they love animals and they want to make a few bucks. These animals are not illegal so what is irresponsible about breeding and selling them? :shrugs:

Urban-
I've never heard of this place, and can't offer you advice on their reputability. But please don't judge this breeder based on the fact that they provide exotics. It does NOT make them iorresponsible and it absolutely is NO CAUSE for being "wary" of them. They are just trying to run a business, and as far as I'm concerned nobody has the right to question their reputability or integrity based on their availability list. That's just ridiculous...
 
The irresponsibility I find in it is, who CAN and WILL buy and take proper care of these animals? Are there seriously THAT many devoted, private alligator keepers in the US? And "all those" alligator keepers--do they seriously keep as many gators as a snake person does snakes, a gecko person geckos, etc? I have the same thought on the big Iguanas, to a lesser extent... They're big. Alligators (and, as I've heard it, Iguanas to an extent) are dangerous. They're both big, and at least one tends to be very needy as a species. Hence, why I have difficulty believing there are REALLY as many devoted keepers of such animals as there are for other species.

My only qualm with the giant snakes is the casual feeling in the selling--but I suppose there's no other real way to sell snakes, so you could chalk that bit up to my (admitted) naivety on the subject.

I'm not telling Urban not to buy from them because of their sale of such animals. I'm just saying that I, personally, hesitate when encountering people who freely breed and sell "overpopulated" (so to speak) and heavily "mistreated" species. Yes, it's the buyer's fault and (ir)responsibility if they take on such animals without educating themselves, just like with any other animal. My issue here lies in the fact that, despite most of their potential customers (AFAIK) for such animals being naive, uneducated idiots who just want something "cool", they still breed such animals in large enough quantities to be regularly available. People that regularly breed these kinds of species give me that same, sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I get when someone talks about how they want to breed their mix-breed cat "just" because it's nice. Or when someone too stupid to adopt an already fixed dog has puppies because they were too lazy/poor to get their newest mutt spayed, and talk about it like it's a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to do.

If there are really enough responsible alligator/iguana/etc keepers to warrant this kind of demand, then I'll shut my mouth and reevaluate my take on the subject. Actually, I'd be relieved to find out that such breeder-supporting communities of such species exist. I have the distinct feeling, though, that I'll be holding on to my opinion for a while yet.
 
Don't those uber cheap prices scare anyone but me? When I see reptiles priced cheap I wonder about a few things. Is the animal WC, healthy, is the breeder out of room, or time to care for them? WC animals are always cheaper or should I say usually. A breeder in over their head also offers cheap prices because their either out of room, out of time, out of food, or all of the above. Post a thread on the BOI and ask about the company and owners names there. Scumbg breeders often change their company names like underwear:)
 
My opinion of these breeders are mixed. Some of the animals claim to be "rare" yet have a low price tag. I am sure they deal in WC animals. I see no colubrids. I think these guys may need some caution but not a automatic no buy. And floof ANY one can be irresponsible with a reptile. SO what if a breeder sells somthing it is the buyer that is responsible after they open that box
 
Floof said:
The irresponsibility I find in it is, who CAN and WILL buy and take proper care of these animals? Are there seriously THAT many devoted, private alligator keepers in the US? And "all those" alligator keepers--do they seriously keep as many gators as a snake person does snakes, a gecko person geckos, etc? I have the same thought on the big Iguanas, to a lesser extent... They're big. Alligators (and, as I've heard it, Iguanas to an extent) are dangerous. They're both big, and at least one tends to be very needy as a species. Hence, why I have difficulty believing there are REALLY as many devoted keepers of such animals as there are for other species.
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Do you know how many private keepers there are in the U.S.? I don't. Do you know how many the average keeper of alligators keeps? I don't. Do you know how many the breeder produces and sells each year? I don't. Do you know to whom this breeder sells them, under what conditions, and what constraints? I don't. Do you have any right to judge this breeder without ANY of the above information? I don't...and neither do you.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter what you think or believe about the animals. If the breeder is producing and distributing the animals legally, there is nothing irresponsible about it. Period. Either legitimately or implied. And until you can show me where, either on their site, another site, or in real life, this breeder has proven themselves to be irresponsible as either a breeder OR a keeper, you've no right to accuse them of irresponsibility.

My only qualm with the giant snakes is the casual feeling in the selling--but I suppose there's no other real way to sell snakes, so you could chalk that bit up to my (admitted) naivety on the subject.
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Who really cares what your opinion is? I'm not trying to be rude, but really, your opinion does not count when deciding if a breeder is responsible or not, unless your opinion is based ion actual experience with the breeder.

Besides that, this breeder has lots of listings on their site for everything from general care to a listing of the BEST Herp Vets in the country, listed by name, address, telephone number, city, state and specialty in reptile vetrinary medicine. That seems anything BUT "casual" to me...

I'm not telling Urban not to buy from them because of their sale of such animals. I'm just saying that I, personally, hesitate when encountering people who freely breed and sell "overpopulated" (so to speak) and heavily "mistreated" species. Yes, it's the buyer's fault and (ir)responsibility if they take on such animals without educating themselves, just like with any other animal. My issue here lies in the fact that, despite most of their potential customers (AFAIK) for such animals being naive, uneducated idiots who just want something "cool", they still breed such animals in large enough quantities to be regularly available. People that regularly breed these kinds of species give me that same, sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I get when someone talks about how they want to breed their mix-breed cat "just" because it's nice. Or when someone too stupid to adopt an already fixed dog has puppies because they were too lazy/poor to get their newest mutt spayed, and talk about it like it's a perfectly normal and acceptable thing to do.

If there are really enough responsible alligator/iguana/etc keepers to warrant this kind of demand, then I'll shut my mouth and reevaluate my take on the subject. Actually, I'd be relieved to find out that such breeder-supporting communities of such species exist. I have the distinct feeling, though, that I'll be holding on to my opinion for a while yet.
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You don't know any more than I do what this breeders selling habits are. You don't have a clue as to who their customers are nor what the average experience level OF those customers are.

Ultimately, neophytes that don't know what they are doing don't spend $2000 on a Super Tiger Retic, or $3500 on a Paradox Albino SUper Tiger Retic. It just doesn't happen.

The bottom line is that you took one look at a breeder's site and declared
I know nothing about the people, but, just looking at the website, I already am wary of them. IMO, it isn't a good sign when a place is casually selling Alligators, Iguanas, Snapping turtles, and Reticulated pythons... Among other species that should seriously give one pause
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With absolutely no basis to decalre anything of the sort. If you actually took the time to LOOK at the website, you would have found the caresheets, recommendations, vet listings, forums, and contact information, as well as the price list of what you consider the "irresponsible animals" that fairly makes most of them not "beginner pets", but investment animals.

As far as I am concerned, this hobby has enough people from OUTside of it that are too fast and too quick to judge someone as irresponsible based on absolutely no informaion or sound reasoning. We definitely don't need people INside the hobby doing the same thing...
 
danielle said:
Don't those uber cheap prices scare anyone but me? When I see reptiles priced cheap I wonder about a few things. Is the animal WC, healthy, is the breeder out of room, or time to care for them? WC animals are always cheaper or should I say usually. A breeder in over their head also offers cheap prices because their either out of room, out of time, out of food, or all of the above. Post a thread on the BOI and ask about the company and owners names there. Scumbg breeders often change their company names like underwear:)
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I don't know anything about the breeder's habits or husbandry. But a quick glance through the pricelist didn't seem too bad or completely underpriced to make me suspicious. But again...I have no real information on the breeder...

Robbie, I saw that albino boa. If you look through the text price list the albino BCI are $650 and $800. Not sure what the deal was on the photographed one...
 
tyflier said:
I don't know anything about the breeder's habits or husbandry. But a quick glance through the pricelist didn't seem too bad or completely underpriced to make me suspicious. But again...I have no real information on the breeder...

Robbie, I saw that albino boa. If you look through the text price list the albino BCI are $650 and $800. Not sure what the deal was on the photographed one...
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Well, when you add it to the cart, it's still $89. :dgrin: LOL.
 
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