Shaniya Davis....Fayetteville, NC Tragedy

[vetusvates]

I'm surprised no one has posted anything on this yet. We have members here much nearer to that part of the country.

http://eurweb.com/story/eur57576.cfm
http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2009/11/police-now-searching-for-body-of.html

Beneath the smirking mugshot of Mario Andrette McNeill one can read his mile long rap sheet (paraphrased),...and only guess why he should have been returned to freely circulate in the general public :
http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2009/11/mario-andrette-mcneill-charged-with.html

McNeill shot Roland Lee Mays in the face, neck, shoulder, chest and stomach on June 17, 2001. The court records indicate that he injured two other people that day. He was charged with multiple counts of assault inflicting serious bodily injury. A year later, while awaiting trial in the shootings, he was charged with possessing marijuana and trying to manufacture and sell it. The charges from the two cases were consolidated and he was allowed to plead guilty to lesser counts. He was sentenced to 40 to 50 months of supervised probation in June 2003.
McNeill violated terms of his probation in August 2003 by failing to notify probation officers of his whereabouts. He was sent to prison. Records show that he entered the prison system in October 2003 and was released in May 2006. He got in trouble shortly thereafter. Records show that three months after his release, he was charged with possession with intent to sell marijuana and cocaine and with maintaining a vehicle for drug use. He pleaded guilty to reduced charges - a misdemeanor offense of maintaining a vehicle for drug use - and again was placed on supervised probation, on Jan. 1, 2007. As part of the plea deal, District Court Judge Kim Tucker told McNeill that he could go on unsupervised probation if he tested negative for drugs three consecutive times. He still managed to get in trouble again, while on probation. He was charged in April 2007 with possessing cocaine and was charged in September 2007 with hitting Fayetteville police officer R. Grimm with his vehicle while trying to flee from a street corner. McNeill was charged that day with trying to elude arrest, reckless driving and assault on a government official. Two months later, on Nov. 30, 2007, another judge gave him a slap on the wrist. Superior Court Judge Jack Thompson allowed McNeill's probation status to be changed from supervised to unsupervised, records show.

 

[Chip]

I live in NC and surf a lot of 'net and hadn't heard this story. Where did you find it? I know you aren't following black political thought blogs in your spare time! This type of story SHOULD be national news. Instead, I know that Lindsay Lohan's house was broken into again.

 

[vetusvates]

I live in NC and surf a lot of 'net and hadn't heard this story. Where did you find it? I know you aren't following black political thought blogs in your spare time! This type of story SHOULD be national news. Instead, I know that Lindsay Lohan's house was broken into again.

LOL....Lindsay Lohan. Barf. Just imagine the loser you'd have to be to be breaking into her shizzle.
If I were a cat burglar, I'd be going for "the big time".

Chip, on the national news, I guess. For news, so as not to be too brow-beaten by Nanci when I'm not up on current events, I tune in to CNN and HLN in the morning when I get up, and sometimes in the evening when I get home. (FOX sometimes, but I find it stilted.) I don't want to be surprised by a hurricane or tsunami. Nanci Grace, HLN, is on at 7, 9, and MN, and she is a big advocate for children, women, and the elderly. So I got started watching bits of her, if channel-surfing and I came across her. She's from Macon, GA, where my mom has a home,....and sometimes a one woman show....and sometimes just too over the top. Almost in a "good theatre" kind of way, sometimes too saccharine sweet. But she does advocate for children. I actually started paying more attention to her when the story broke of the little Caylee Marie Anthony 2 year old that went missing, and then the body found, near Orlando. Now that whole family is a psychologist's smorgasbord of pathology.

Nancy Grace's family all still live in Macon. Her fiance was brutally murdered some 20+ years ago, when she was a very young woman, and she grieved, then took the bull by the horns, turned her life around, and put herself through law school. Former criminal prosecutor, she went the way of TV legal consultant.....and actually is the real McCoy....that Star Jones, Greta Van Susteren, and all the rest have aspired to be.

 

[Lennycorn]

He RAPED and killed a FIVE year old.

He raped a five year old.

Thats just pure evil and sick right there.

Lovely courts system we have.

 

[vetusvates]

Well, that community is outraged now, David. That story has brought tears to my eyes several times.

 

[Michael823]

I have also heard this story, and frankly, I die a little inside every time I see stories like this. I really can't imagine the type of evil that this takes, and it sadly happens all too often. What I've yet to see is someone take the law into their own hands, kill the sick person/people who committed the act, and watch their day in court for killing the sick person. To be a jury that could not want to execute these people baffles me, and to have a jury that would punish someone vigilant enough to wipe out scum like this also baffles me.
I know, it probably sounds harsh, and people will preach up the A$$ about a fair trial. I DON'T CARE, these people need to be wiped off of the face of the earth. I strongly believe in making sure that the correct culprit is caught, and to warrant death it should be an airtight prosecution... but after that, I say do away with these evil people altogether. No spending money to keep them alive, no wasteful rehabilitation crap, just end their existence.
Give the would be tax dollars to the victims family, send a message to the other sick people, and make a stand against these atrocious acts.

 

[Nova_C]

I have also heard this story, and frankly, I die a little inside every time I see stories like this. I really can't imagine the type of evil that this takes, and it sadly happens all too often. What I've yet to see is someone take the law into their own hands, kill the sick person/people who committed the act, and watch their day in court for killing the sick person. To be a jury that could not want to execute these people baffles me, and to have a jury that would punish someone vigilant enough to wipe out scum like this also baffles me.

In the more recent Capital Punishment thread I posted links to stories about vigilantes killing registered sex offenders. So it's happening.

The part that baffles me is how someone could support vigilantes. Actually, no, that doesn't baffle me. I totally get it. However, I actually put in the effort to think about the consequences of vigilantes and THEN I'm baffled that people won't think about the things they talk about.

 

[Michael823]

In the more recent Capital Punishment thread I posted links to stories about vigilantes killing registered sex offenders. So it's happening.

The part that baffles me is how someone could support vigilantes. Actually, no, that doesn't baffle me. I totally get it. However, I actually put in the effort to think about the consequences of vigilantes and THEN I'm baffled that people won't think about the things they talk about.

What's your definition of a vigilante then? Are you saying that the law handles these criminals properly?
A judge is just a vigilante with few degrees, and I find it disgusting. At least my ideals of punishment would fairly match up to the crime.

I'm not advocating vigilantism either, because I am more than aware of the extreme danger in that. I'm simply asking the question "What would happen if.." someone was to take the law into their own hands. I sure know if someone committed an act like that against a member of my family, a friend, etc... I sure as heck wouldn't give the court systems the opportunity to let them live.

Same with the lawyers. How could someone knowingly represent someone guilty of a crime like this? Sure, they probably convince themselves that they are simply defending the constitutional rights of that person, but in their hearts they know it's wrong.

I'm saying... present the facts, prove without any shadow of a doubt that the suspect is guilty, and punish accordingly. If punishing accordingly means that this person will see the light of day eventually, then someone has to be the voice of reason.

 

[Nova_C]

What's your definition of a vigilante then? Are you saying that the law handles these criminals properly?
A judge is just a vigilante with few degrees, and I find it disgusting. At least my ideals of punishment would fairly match up to the crime.

I think you want to look up the definition of vigilante:
1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

A judge does not do this. Nor do lawyers or jurors.

I'm not advocating vigilantism either, because I am more than aware of the extreme danger in that. I'm simply asking the question "What would happen if.." someone was to take the law into their own hands. I sure know if someone committed an act like that against a member of my family, a friend, etc... I sure as heck wouldn't give the court systems the opportunity to let them live.

This is normal. This is also why victims and families of victims are not allowed to decide the punishment of the convicted.

Same with the lawyers. How could someone knowingly represent someone guilty of a crime like this? Sure, they probably convince themselves that they are simply defending the constitutional rights of that person, but in their hearts they know it's wrong.

Because a fair trial is a cornerstone of any functional, fair judicial system. If a defense lawyer could turn down anyone they thought was guilty, then that would be expected. The quote right above proves to me that defendants absolutely should have a vigorous defense, even if guilt is apparent, because people like you would crucify (literally or figuratively) any lawyer who would represent someone accused of a heinous crime and that would completely undermine the system.

Notice I said 'accused' since the other cornerstone of a fair judicial system is innocent until proven guilty.

I'm saying... present the facts, prove without any shadow of a doubt that the suspect is guilty, and punish accordingly. If punishing accordingly means that this person will see the light of day eventually, then someone has to be the voice of reason.

I don't understand this section at all. Like, I literally cannot parse it. Can you explain?

 

[vetusvates]

Michael, I realize and respect that you are very passionate about this subject. And one reason I posted this story, is because it is indeed on the far, far extreme....as for cases in which the CP would be 'most appropriate', or the sentence of CP most easily arrived at.

The vigilante thing does and has happened. The first instance that comes to my mind happened here in Baton Rouge and did indeed make the national news. Warning, graphic violence on these links. Actual footage. Think twice before you watch.
http://spikedhumor.com/articles/38182/Father_Of_Kidnapped_Son_Gets_Revenge.html
http://www.yikers.com/video_dad_shoots_sons_molester_in_the_head.html
And this was in 2006, I believe. I do not believe it is the answer. If my mother or sisters were murdered, would it cross my mind?...You're doggone right. And not just fleetingly.

But as I said in an earlier post, I would like to be able to trust "the system". And I do believe CP is quite appropriate and equitable in some cases (but certainly not vigilante style). IMHO.
In the Shaniya Davis case.....oh heck yeah!!!

 

[Hypancistrus]

And in this case we have another poster child in many ways. Rap sheet as long as his arm... no conscience, no sense of right/wrong, even in spite of NUMEROUS dealings with the law and efforts made to rehabilitate him.

Lock the mother up and throw away the key.

Kill this SOB.

 

[Michael823]

I don't think that people should just take the law into their own hands when someone is accused. My point is, when these offenders are let back out, because of a bass ackwards system, someone NEEDS to step in for the victims and future victims.

If a convicted offender gets let out and re commits the same (or worse crime), then I lose all faith in the systems ability to protect, and the people should have every right to do what the system can't. I also think that the defense attorney needs to be punished for using sick tactics to free such an evil person, because they (along with the judge) allowed said sick person back into society.

 

[wstphal]

I also think that the defense attorney needs to be punished for using sick tactics to free such an evil person, because they (along with the judge) allowed said sick person back into society.

If defense attorneys were punished for what their clients subsequently do, there would be no defense attorneys, and then the genuinely innocent but wrongfully accused would have a tough time in court.

However, consequences for judges that sign off on lenient sentences for people who subsequently commit another violent crime, or consequences for parole boards that allow people out on parole who subsequently commit another violent crime, might be useful.

 

[yellowbellyhippy]

Makes me sick~ Im so sick and sad for this little girl and her father. Im a mother and would never make this out alive. ::~::LOVE::~:: vibes to the girl's father. He is so devestated. Can you imagine this poor girl's desperate fear? Makes me cry.

 

[Austin M]

I hate seeing and reading about monsters like this! I'm going to throw it out there as a thought. Does anyone think that we would have less of this kind of disgusting crime going on if we spent more time and money on this kind of crime? I am no expert, but it seems that there is a pattern with predator pedifiles and sick people like this. Not to mention the networks of these predators.

What I'm getting at is we increase our law enforcement budgets year after year fighting a loosing battle on "the war on drugs". I read that 60% of our prison population is there for possession or sale of elegal drugs. Every small town in my Northwest Ohio community has undercover drug enforcement agents that are tapping into our small town drug networks with citizen informants to put our local drug users and sellers in jail.

Has anyone seen to catch a predator with Stone Pillips? I have, and it seems real easy to get into those predator networks. I believe if law enforcement had the budget and the laser focus on these predators the way they do with the war on drugs this kind of crime would greatly be reduced, unlike the war on substance abuse.

With that said, as moral as I try to be I would have no problem getting mid-evil on a sicko like this! Sorry if this offends anyone, but my emotions take over logic in every case like this.

 

[TandJ]

I know someone here doesn't have kids, and its not me..

God Bless the Little Souls, and keep them safe from the disgusting people that inhabit this world ..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[wilomn]

I hate seeing and reading about monsters like this! I'm going to throw it out there as a thought. Does anyone think that we would have less of this kind of disgusting crime going on if we spent more time and money on this kind of crime? I am no expert, but it seems that there is a pattern with predator pedifiles and sick people like this. Not to mention the networks of these predators.

What I'm getting at is we increase our law enforcement budgets year after year fighting a loosing battle on "the war on drugs". I read that 60% of our prison population is there for possession or sale of elegal drugs. Every small town in my Northwest Ohio community has undercover drug enforcement agents that are tapping into our small town drug networks with citizen informants to put our local drug users and sellers in jail.

Has anyone seen to catch a predator with Stone Pillips? I have, and it seems real easy to get into those predator networks. I believe if law enforcement had the budget and the laser focus on these predators the way they do with the war on drugs this kind of crime would greatly be reduced, unlike the war on substance abuse.

With that said, as moral as I try to be I would have no problem getting mid-evil on a sicko like this! Sorry if this offends anyone, but my emotions take over logic in every case like this.

There is no money to be mad catching pedophiles. There is no confiscation of high dollar toys and cash that can then be used by the arresting department. After the government agencies all get their shares, that is.

It's also low profile compared to making a big drug bust.

I don't understand why punishment is so minimal. Why do rapists get to keep their testes? Why don't pedophiles have a big P tattooed on their forehead?

I honestly don't understand how we can know what these guys are, not only what they may do but have been convicted of doing, and then they're let loose.

How about we toss out the guys inside for minor non-violent drug offenses and we keep the rapers and killers of children in cages? Or just kill them. That would be a much better solution.

 

[Nova_C]

I don't understand why punishment is so minimal. Why do rapists get to keep their testes? Why don't pedophiles have a big P tattooed on their forehead?

Probably because these things don't really accomplish anything other than to satisfy your need for vicious revenge.

Show me that castration or a Scarlet Letter benefits society.

 

[LBoz]

I actually like the idea of a "P" tattooed on their foreheads. If anything, it would give kids a fighting chance to run like hell away from someone before they could get their grubby mitts on them, or scream for help or whatever. Interesting thought, IMO. Once convicted of that type of crime, I say screw their civil liberties.

 

[Nova_C]

I actually like the idea of a "P" tattooed on their foreheads. If anything, it would give kids a fighting chance to run like hell away from someone before they could get their grubby mitts on them, or scream for help or whatever. Interesting thought, IMO. Once convicted of that type of crime, I say screw their civil liberties.

That 'type' of crime? How do you mean?

Or are you saying anyone who ends up on the sexual offender registry should be permanently ostracized and not allowed to recover their life?