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She died... and now I feel like a total failure

I'd just like to make a point no one has for Hypancisterus just because he/she never mentioned that she did this (or it was mentioned and I skimmed over it). Water is #1 super-duper key for shipped animals and especially small ones. If the animal was listless when you opened the box it probably wasn't long for the world even if you kind of dipped his little snout in a bottle-cap of water to see if it'd drink.

I just had three animals shipped to me from homegrownherps and boy when they arrived those guys drank like mad. Dehydration occurs extremely fast in small animals be it reptiles or humans. There's no way around kidney failure even in animals that have powerful water-sparing mechanisms for excretion.

as the saying goes, you can lead a snake to water....

good luck with future shipments, it's hot summer and quite a challenge.
 
I did provide her with water. I did not know you should dip her snout in it, but it was there.

Silly question... but snakes ACTUALLY drink, right? Unlike frogs which absorb water?
 
Hypancistrus said:
I did provide her with water. I did not know you should dip her snout in it, but it was there.

Silly question... but snakes ACTUALLY drink, right? Unlike frogs which absorb water?


OMG :sidestep: You are kidding right??

If you don't know such a basic aspect of cornsnake care, you should put your delivery of your new snake on hold until you've figured it all out.
 
princess said:
OMG :sidestep: You are kidding right??

If you don't know such a basic aspect of cornsnake care, you should put your delivery of your new snake on hold until you've figured it all out.

Gee, thanks for that. I keep running into posts like this one that make me doubt the wisdom of posting on these forums. Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say it at all?? Guess not.

Lenny- thank you for the clarification. I figured they did, but have never actually seen it happen.
 
Hypancistrus said:
Gee, thanks for that. I keep running into posts like this one that make me doubt the wisdom of posting on these forums. Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say it at all?? Guess not.

Well, She right, but you can't take it to heart.
I see that you own a dog and frogs and have a fresh water aquarium. So if I was a "silly" question about frogs you might give me the same responce.
Just do a little research and you'll be fine.

Here is a jump start to help. Good Luck :cheers:

Husbandry and such
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28341
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28342
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17224
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sh...?p=133428#post6
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28343
http://www.herpvetconnection.com/
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17939&highlight=jello+butt

Free Herp Software
http://www.serpwidgets.com/Apps/apps.html
http://www.proherp.com/
http://www.cornsnakes.nl/
http://home.comcast.net/~spencer62/cornprog.html

Setup
http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/t.../bltanksize.htm
http://www.mgreptiles.com/VIROSAN.html
http://www.anapsid.org/blacklight.html
http://arbreptiles.com/cages/flexwire.shtml
http://www.arbreptiles.com/cages/tips.shtml
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19168

Miscellaneous
http://www.alysion.org/euthanasia/
http://www.moreptiles.com/cornsnake-lifecycle.htm

Cohabitation
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17308
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31192

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Hypancistrus said:
Gee, thanks for that. I keep running into posts like this one that make me doubt the wisdom of posting on these forums. Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say it at all?? Guess not.

I say lots of nice and supportive things and love to help the newbies out but I have absolutely no tolerance for people who get a pet without knowing the basics of how to care for it.

Rather than posts like mine making your doubt the wisdom of posting here, perhaps they should make you doubt the wisdom in getting an animal you don't know how to care for yet.


Note I put yet, I'm not saying you will never know, you just need to do more reading before another cornsnake comes into your possesion.

I have read this thread and I don't believe the snake died because of what you did, but you have shown through your later post that you were not ready to bring home a snake at that time.
 
princess said:
I say lots of nice and supportive things and love to help the newbies out but I have absolutely no tolerance for people who get a pet without knowing the basics of how to care for it.

Rather than posts like mine making your doubt the wisdom of posting here, perhaps they should make you doubt the wisdom in getting an animal you don't know how to care for yet.


Note I put yet, I'm not saying you will never know, you just need to do more reading before another cornsnake comes into your possesion.

I have read this thread and I don't believe the snake died because of what you did, but you have shown through your later post that you were not ready to bring home a snake at that time.

C'mon, now back off. She did say it was a silly question, and she did provide the snake with water. She just didnt know she should dip its nose in the water. Thats not so bad, especially since one could assume that if you do that incorrectly or for too long and the snake doesnt pull out you drown the critter..
 
Om another note, I get to see my corn drink all the time. I usually offer when I am putting him away after handling or feeding. Sometimes he drinks sometimes he doesnt, bu this way I know when he shoots off to hide he's got plenty of water in him..
 
princess said:
I say lots of nice and supportive things and love to help the newbies out but I have absolutely no tolerance for people who get a pet without knowing the basics of how to care for it.

Rather than posts like mine making your doubt the wisdom of posting here, perhaps they should make you doubt the wisdom in getting an animal you don't know how to care for yet.


Note I put yet, I'm not saying you will never know, you just need to do more reading before another cornsnake comes into your possesion.

I have read this thread and I don't believe the snake died because of what you did, but you have shown through your later post that you were not ready to bring home a snake at that time.


Funny, someone who places adults together for feeding in a bin for a 'cute picture' is lecturing someone else on husbandry and whether or not they should have a snake. That's pretty friggin comical right there. Not unexpected, but comical.

Don't mind Princess, Hypan.
 
As Kathy mentioned, this is a learning opportunity and may help prevent the same thing from happening again. If immediate water is sometimes necessary (to prevent medical complications), perhaps that and a few other instructions should be included with the snake, as part of the package. I'm not implying that's what happened this time, but it sounds like having water available right away might make the difference in some marginal cases, based on what others posted. I've never sold any snakes and don't plan to anytime soon, but when I do, I will probably include some basic instructions printed on a single page. Some new snake owners do get excited and may need to be reminded not to handle the new snake too much, etc.
 
Lennycorn said:
Well, She right, but you can't take it to heart.
I see that you own a dog and frogs and have a fresh water aquarium. So if I was a "silly" question about frogs you might give me the same responce.
Just do a little research and you'll be fine.

Here is a jump start to help. Good Luck :cheers:

Actually, Lenny, I would never respond in such a way to a question from a newby. I have 15 years experience in freshwater aquariums, including 3 years experience in the retail sector, and am a member of several larger fish boards. I speak with people new to aquariums all the time, and while I don't consider myself an expert by any means, I do have the skills to help people who are new to the hobby succeed as aquarists.

I would approach any and all newby questions as just that- questions that were asked. The only stupid question if the one you didn't ask. By jumping down someone's throat when they ask a question that seems (to you) to be entirely too basic, you are discouraging them from coming back to your forum, or indeed, from asking any questions in the future. This is also a topic near and dear to my heart because I am also a high school teacher. The minute I chose to embarass my students by making them seem like an imbescile for even asking such a "lowly" question is the minute where I lose them for the rest of the year. It's not good practice.

So if you ever have a question to ask me about any of my pets- fish, birds, frogs and small mammals- rest assured that you will recieve a polite and respectful answer from me, without insults.

I actually read the majority of the posts you provided several weeks ago. They were part of another posting where the person was preparing to get a new snake. I have found a lot of helpful information here to augment the information I have gained by reading books in the past few months. The drinking question was just pure and simple curiosity. I have never seen a snake drink. There are many methods used by animals to obtain water, including soaking, lapping, licking from leaves/walls, moving water, dripping water, etc. While I knew, of course, that snakes need water, I did not know which particular method they employ to get said water. Hence the, apparently, stupid question.

Fortunately, I am not a 14 year old kid who is easily intimidated, nor am I someone who respects of condones rude behavior towards folks new to the hobby. My breeder highly reccomends this website, and while I have seen a few responses that raised my eyebrows, I will continue to read this forum so long as their is information to be gained from it.

I hope that various interested parties (breeders and buyers, both) have gained information from this post that will be useful to them. The situation has been resolved brilliantly, as Susan is an excellent breeder, and I feel a lot better about my situation now. I believe this thread has served its purpose, so this will be my last post here.

Many thanks to Kathy, Joe, Homer, Lenny, Desert and everyone else who contributed useful information to this post, and, most especially, to Susan. I will see you guys around the board as I take my first steps into Corn ownership.

And Lenny... seriously, if you ever have questions about fish or frogs, you know who to PM. ;)
 
don't force-drink the snake, but if it seemed too weak to crawl to the water maybe see if it'd take some water if u dipped his mouth part way in the water... SNAKES DO NOT LAP water like dogs, they truely drink...

extreme caution must be taken as to not drown a weak snake
 
Adui said:
Om another note, I get to see my corn drink all the time. I usually offer when I am putting him away after handling or feeding. Sometimes he drinks sometimes he doesnt, bu this way I know when he shoots off to hide he's got plenty of water in him..

But you do have water provided all the time, right? :rolleyes:
 
Lauren - how would you feel about splitting that 20 gallon tank you have to make room for another hatchling...my treat. I am impressed and, as you said in an e-mail, the hatchling looked so small in the large tank.
 
:laugh: Umm... well, I would be fine with that. However, I would have to check with the significant other, because she is the one that controls what goes on 'round here. Were it up to me, I'd have a dozen snakes and spend the weekend happily cleaning tanks and cages... but alas, 'tis not up to me. Let me check with her and get back to you.
 
Blutengel said:
But you do have water provided all the time, right? :rolleyes:


You mean I'm supposed to leave the water dish in there?? OH MAN!!! :bang:

I am of course JOKING, sorry I couldn't resist!! :crazy02: ..

Yes, my snake has access to water all the time, changed daily at least when I'm home.. He did have to suffer through a week without a change when I went camping, but I made sure he had plenty anyhow. The only time I can think of that there isn't water right there for him, (Aside from handling him) is when he eats. This is because I remove him from the Viv and put him in a steralite tub just long enough for him to eat then put him away.
 
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