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Snake science experiment?

anerybree

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So, does anyone have a good idea for a high school science experiment involving snakes? It'll be for my tenth grade year, and I'll be in honors, so it has to be good! And complicated, possibly applicable to humans. If you have an idea but think it's too complicated, post it anyway. I'm a smart teen.

I'm pretty sure I can borrow as many corns as I need to from a breeder I know. I wouldn't like to test anything on them that involves injecting/force feeding. Nothing potentially dangerous to the snakes. And the experiment shouldn't really take longer than two months, so I can't do breeding trials.

Maybe something about the reptilian brain and how it influences decisions? But what experiment would I use? Or something about lateral undulation--I could apply it to some sort of machine to make it run smoother or something. I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks! :)
 
You could study growth patterns in snakes using a group of mouse eaters and a group of rat eaters. And if you wanted to make more out of it, you could add animals that get vitamin supplemented prey items.
 
^ That would be best for babies, but it is a good idea. It would also take a few months, at the very least.


For the OP: maybe you could test how fast they learn or memorize how to escape from a bin with a hole in it? There was something about that posted earlier in the summer.
 
Something that I would personally like to have data on is Genetic_linkage in corn snakes. However, you would be essentially comparing real world data to theoretical data. If you absolutely have to perform an experiment this may not work; ask your teacher. In order to get enough data to produce meaningful results, you would probably have to get numbers from every breeder on this forum. Ask them nicely and they will probably give it to you. You could generate theoretical results easily using corncalc.com.

Another idea would be an experiment based on locomotion. If you can get a number of snakes, try comparing different ages. Perhaps compare locomotion on different surfaces or angles. Perhaps compare locomotion in different depths of water.
 
James, I like the idea about different ages/surfaces and locomotion! And Shenzi, I also like your idea about how fast it takes them to escape from a bin--how they learn is a lot different than mammals because of their different brains. Thanks! Keep 'em coming!
 
My freshman year I drew the cross section of a snake on a poster board showing the digestive system and jawbones. I did a verbal presentation followed by feeding the snake in front of the class...got an A+.
 
If you can get hold of a number of babies / juveniles, it could be interesting to do some kind of feed to weight gain ratio. You could weigh all the food that goes in, the poop that goes out, and see how much weight the young snakes gain in a couple of months. Then you could go further and research feed to weight gain ratios of other livestock, such as chickens or cattle. I believe there are numerous agricultural studies on food animals so that you could do research on several species. You might stick to fast growing animals like chickens and rabbits for a better comparison, though.
 
Maybe you can make a maze and see how long it takes for the snake to get out. A way you could do it is if the snake is make a maze with lots of holes so the snake could smell the outside but only one hole they can fit through and then with a good feeder on feeding day put a mouse out to motivate the snake to get out and see how long it takes and also on future feeding how fast it gets out. Being sure to thoroughly clean the maze in between to make sure they aren't following their own smell from escaping from an earlier time but actually learning how to navigate the maze.
 
I did a snake maze test in middle school to see if a snake could "learn" a maze to find a prey item. Here's what I did:

I built a maze out of wood, with plastic cover so he had to go through the maze and put the snake in one end, and a f/t prey mouse in another end and timed how long it took for the snake to find the mouse. I did it 10 times and recorded the time taken each time to see if he was able to improve or "learn" the maze.
 
I was just thinking about this yesterday. We all know snakes have a reputation of just lazing about and hiding a lot. I was wondering if a snake had a more complicated set up (with more interesting things to explore, more things to climb on, etc.), would it be more active and exploratory? In other words, do snakes mostly lay around because their vivs are boring (two hide boxes, one water bowl, etc.) or would they lay around just as much even if their environment contained more sensory stimulation?
 
You could possibly test the "freezing kills intestinal parasites in prey items". Take one group of snakes, have their poop tested for parasites to make sure they are parasite-free. Feed one group F/T prey and another group live/pre-killed prey (ideally from a small home-breeder that might have mice with parasites, or wild mice if you can find them) and then re-test poop samples periodically to see if parasites show up in any snakes.
 
Blue Apple Herps, did the snakes "learn" the maze? I don't think I'll be doing that experiment, but I'm interested in what happened!

Erin--That study was so interesting! Thanks!
 
When beginning any academic research-y type of project, it always helps to consult the current body of research. See what's out there, what's been done, what questions are being asked, what is currently viewed as "interesting" by the scientific community.
http://scholar.google.com/
Google scholar is your friend for this, as are sites like jstor (http://www.jstor.org/), though they may require access credentials or something. Got a local university to pester?

As I see it, there are a couple different "fields" to go with research related to this topic. I don't know the requirements, but some things that come to mind:
- computer science approach: graphical/computational modeling of snake movement, behavior, cognition (maybe not much there, see behavioral). Likely to require or benefit from much (ie. many hours of documented) observation of actual snakes in motion, going through their various kinds of locomotion, of varying ages, sizes, maybe species, in different environments, etc.
- mechanical approach: robotics, some sort of actual physical implementation to mimic snake movement. Also likely to require lots of observation of snakes beforehand.
- behavioral observation: precedent to the first two, likely you could get enough breadth over varying specimens of snakes, and enough depth over varying conditions and detail of observation/record, to make a descent little 2 month project. Remember, 2 months is almost no time at all in "research time." Like, nothing. One quarter of university time. Believe you me, that flies by. Consider how many hours you have to devote per week. Comparison: 40 hours/week is a full time job, 10 hours/week is considered full time research. There's observation time, setup time, documentation time, and of course the hours to compile your research and write up a good final product. Wow, sorry I got all long winded again ;P.
- cognitive goals: What are snakes thinking in those cute little heads? Much of anything? Mazes are one way these things are often tested in mammals, but reptiles don't quite work the same way. Snakes don't see mazes much in their environments, as rodents might. It seems like a lot of snakes' time is spent finding food, finding places to hide. So some experiments have been done with hides as the goal state, rather than food (since they don't eat a lot, and are often picky at that). There are questions of perception (ie. do snakes perceive color? To what degree? Are some colors indistinguishable?). Questions of reactions and preferences. Do snakes regard color or shape/size/temperature/etc. as more indicative of food/threat/safety/hide?
- biology: Someone mentioned intestinal microbes. That sounds interesting, if you have the equipment for fecal smears and such. Also consider that 2 months is only just barely enough time to get any kind of meaningful trend data for snakes that feed at most once every 5 days.

I think behavioral tests aiming at intelligence and perception and such are fascinating. I'd like to be able to find actual scholarly article references. O heck, why not, I'm waiting for traffic to drain anyway. On someone's thread about red light I got off on that tangent and found this site:
http://www.naturescornermagazine.com/snakes_learn.html (not actually scholarly material, I wish they cited the paper/source they describe, but I guess it gives you a vague idea the kinds of conditions you can test).

Alright, I don't really see any application of snake cognition to humans. But if it's not a requirement of the project, I still think it is cool to research snakes for the sake of knowing about ..snakes. If you want to research humans, generally you just research humans, unless it is the kind of dangerous/questionable ethical/medical application that is still in animal testing trials, and that is obviously not the kind of thing you want to be doing for this project, and in general you wouldn't use snakes (reptiles, too dissimilar).

If you want a mechanical application like lateral motion, you might want a more technological approach. Is this a science in general project, or a "life sciences" project? I think computational modeling (graphics, mathematics, the whole sha-bang) of the way snakes move is pretty cool, but maybe too far removed from the actual life for the requirements, though it could involve much observation of various snakes in their various forms of motion (did you know there are several? it's cool to watch your snake and pick out each one). Then there's also actual mechanical implementation to mimic the snake motion (robotics, for example) which has ...hey, I have a new hobby idea for when I have disposable income (soon!)! I have actually wanted to build a robotic snake since like...junior high lol. Funny how we remember these things years later and realize, hey I now have the resources! Well except I'm saving up to move, but ya know after that....

*Ahem* Sorry for all the random tangents. This is what happens when I have been bored for a couple hours and ideas start sparking.

Whatever you end up doing, absolutely please post results here! ^^
 
Blue Apple Herps, did the snakes "learn" the maze? I don't think I'll be doing that experiment, but I'm interested in what happened!

Erin--That study was so interesting! Thanks!

IIRC, the times varied a lot. i.e. no consistent pattern. Some times it would take a while, other times not so long. I was 12 at the time, so didn't have proper controls and really doing a "proper" experiment to control for other factors.

So, while it made for a good science project, I wouldn't draw anything from the results one way or the other.
 
Wow Hexadeci, thank you so much! I looked at the Google site, and most of the papers are on snake venom, of which I don't have access too. But the Jstor site is really good.

It's just a general "science" competition. Right now I'm working on one for freshman year (how does caffeine affect butterfly's flight pattern and ability to find food?), but I always have trouble deciding on projects so I thought I'd get jump-started on next year! The fair board has to approve our ideas, so I think they approve them in October sometime. Then the fair is in February, but some teachers want it done before Winter Break. So I don't exactly have a lot of time to do the experiment.

The website with the experiment on how snakes learn was very interesting. Now I'm leaning towards that more. I like your idea of "Do snakes regard color, smell, size, or temperature more indicative of a hide?" Or that with predators, it'd be interesting to see what they view as predators.

Thanks, Hexadeci!
 
I know that studies were done to determine how heat sensors in rattlesnakes worked to help them find warmer or cooler areas to go. It would be interesting to find out if cornsnakes have the same abilities and how they figure it out. When they covered the rattlesnake's heat pits, they were unable to determine which hide was the right one and just went in the first hide even if it was too hot. I wonder if cornsnakes have a way of determining which hide or area is the one they want.
 
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