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Steve Irwin Dies at age 44, A sad day in the herping world..

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Cousteau has never ...WILL never affect the number of people Steve Irwin did. In 10 years Irwin did more for conservation than Cousteau could in 3 lifetimes. People under 20 don't even know who Cousteau IS!! As a child, the best way to get me to sleep was to put the tv on and turn it to The Undersea World Of Jacques Cousteau. Borinnngggggggggg.
 
So, if you die because of some freak car accident, like a deer jumping on the road, you must have been an irresponsible driver not knowing what you were doing? And some other guy not dying and driving his car for another 30 years was much more of an expert in driving a car?

Of course people who avoid risks have less change of dying of an accident.... when they just stay at home, no car can hit them, no train can hit them and no crazy person on the street can accidentaly kill them shooting bullets around wildly.... oops... then thier house gets on fire when they are sleeping cause electric wiring failes.... someone DIES! Men, that person sure was not an expert in avoiding risks, right? The other guy not staying at home, sure was much more of an expert in doing what he did, right?

How many people with major experience and expertise have to tell on national television that he died of an FREAK accident before you get it? Since you are the one always stating that the most experienced people always are the best experts, why don't you acknowledge that people with way more experience then you around here and on TV do not think Steve was irresponsible so you are NOT right?
 
This post is cruel and i really think Steve and his family deserved alot more respect than the original post.

Steve dying is a tradgedy in my eyes, However if it was not for Steve and his TV shows i would probably never have learned the information needed to become a Snake owner.

Because of Steve thousands or maybe hundrands of thousands of people around the world realise that snakes/crocks and any other creatures on this planet are wonderfull.

I love my snake and i will be breeding in the future because of Steve.

*Raises a glass and cheers steve*
 
Starsevol, Cousteau is a highley respected oceanographer in the scientific community. Steve was a showman. Two diffrent things. Cousteau is a professional . Steve catered to the average joe. Jean and his father have helped in the study of marine life with scientific study and data. It is a shame that you cant watch anything that is interllectual and your only interest is stimulated by someone's comic antics. I'm sure that you would not be unable to hold a conversation with a scientist that would stimulate his brain. You see that is where you and me differ. I may not spell good at all , but that dont take away from my verbal skills. I talk to scientist on many occasion's that work with animals and pathogen's ( diseases in humans, reptiles and tropical fish.) Three of my friends are scientist,and I have deep interllectual conversation with them .
I cant help that you cant comprehend the diference between a accomplished oceanographer and a buffoon.
 
Cousteau being a highly respected oceanographer is all nice and good, but how many people did he TOUCH? I know who he is but I don't know if he is alive or dead. The WORLD knows who Steve was and is in mourning. Big difference. Reaching the masses is what makes people CARE about wildlife. Steve's work affected US. Literally THOUSANDS of the herps you claim to love so much owe their lives to Steve Irwin, and you show such disrespect? I have not watched Cousteau since I was a CHILD, and yes, he bored me to sleep. It was in the 70s. Jacques is probably deceased by now, funny, I heard NOTHING about it. I wonder if anyone did. Irwin bored NO ONE. He was loved by all ages. What do your scientist friends think of feeding pork chops to snakes because you can't afford a proper diet for them, by the way? And to call the man a buffoon only shows your undeniable ignorance.
 
starsevol said:
Cousteau being a highly respected oceanographer is all nice and good, but how many people did he TOUCH? I know who he is but I don't know if he is alive or dead. The WORLD knows who Steve was and is in mourning. Big difference. Reaching the masses is what makes people CARE about wildlife. Steve's work affected US. Literally THOUSANDS of the herps you claim to love so much owe their lives to Steve Irwin, and you show such disrespect? I have not watched Cousteau since I was a CHILD, and yes, he bored me to sleep. It was in the 70s. Jacques is probably deceased by now, funny, I heard NOTHING about it. I wonder if anyone did. Irwin bored NO ONE. He was loved by all ages. What do your scientist friends think of feeding pork chops to snakes because you can't afford a proper diet for them, by the way? And to call the man a buffoon only shows your undeniable ignorance.
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Ouch, that must have hurt!

So how come Vinnie on this forum lots of people really don't like you (and that is an understatement) and in real life you have FRIENDS? And how come that on this site I've never seen you take part in any more intellectual discussion? At least, not with any useful contributions.... I do know that if only spelling and grammar would have been your issue, this community would have seen through it.... so, either you have a personality for the forum and one for home use or.........?

For the record; I assume you allso do not know that Steve and co-workers provided LOTS of scientific data for research by putting transmitters on animals and following them..... of course you don't, cause you are known for judging without enough knowledge of the case.... Oh, and by the way, his collection of venomous snakes for contributing to venom stock for research and production of anti venom does not ring a bell for you too, right?

Am I being rude? Yes I am! Do I feel bad about it? No! This guy seems to loev asking for it and getting what he wants... I can't withold for giving it to him, sorry....
 
Wait Wait Blu.....
don't be so hasty...
There WAS the thread where the Vinman inferred that we are all fools for paying those high prices for rodents when all we have to do is go to the local deli to feed our herps....after 28 pages of "I've got a secret" before he spilled the beans.....

And THEN there was the thread about the peach hypo...you know that pretty snake that he has no earthy idea how he created because he has no interest in genetics.....but you better let HIM name the morph because its HIS HIS HIS and otherwise he will pitch a fit....

There are 2 "intellectual discussions" right off the top of my head.
 
starsevol said:
What do your scientist friends think of feeding pork chops to snakes because you can't afford a proper diet for them, by the way? And to call the man a buffoon only shows your undeniable ignorance
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It was an experiment as in most experments they is a high rate of falure. If you would get your facts stright I used pork, chicken with bones, and turkey. also hearts and livers of chicken and turkeys. I think my falure was lack of fat contant.. Now I incorperate this diet with mice and it works fine . See I learned something from it and now I use both diets. At least I took the initaitive of a new concept and tried it. That is how we come up with new tecnologically addvances in the way we do things. Unike you who has to run with pack . You probly lack any insight to come up with new ideas. Remember anytime some comes up with a new concept They get ridiculed. look at all the famous people that got laughed at, all the great scientist. They were thought to be incompendent. Some did not get any recognition for their work and were proven right , some all the way up till a hundread or more years after their death.
 
starsevol said:
Wait Wait Blu.....
don't be so hasty...
There WAS the thread where the Vinman inferred that we are all fools for paying those high prices for rodents when all we have to do is go to the local deli to feed our herps....after 28 pages of "I've got a secret" before he spilled the beans.....

And THEN there was the thread about the peach hypo...you know that pretty snake that he has no earthy idea how he created because he has no interest in genetics.....but you better let HIM name the morph because its HIS HIS HIS and otherwise he will pitch a fit....

There are 2 "intellectual discussions" right off the top of my head.
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I know him of those, did you follow those too?! Awesome! :crazy02:
 
Vinman said:
It was an experiment as in most experments they is a high rate of falure. If you would get your facts stright I used pork, chicken with bones, and turkey. also hearts and livers of chicken and turkeys. I think my falure was lack of fat contant.. Now I incorperate this diet with mice and it works fine . See I learned something from it and now I use both diets. At least I took the initaitive of a new concept and tried it. That is how we come up with new tecnologically addvances in the way we do things. Unike you who has to run with pack . You probly lack any insight to come up with new ideas. Remember anytime some comes up with a new concept They get ridiculed. look at all the famous people that got laughed at, all the great scientist. They were thought to be incompendent. Some did not get any recognition for their work and were proven right , some all the way up till a hundread or more years after their death.
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So, eventually you found out that snakes NEED whole rodents to be healthy? Wow, talking about a new interesting scientific discovery.... :rolleyes:

I do not remember you admitting your experiment failed.... did I spot a scoop?!
 
Blutengel said:
So, eventually you found out that snakes NEED whole rodents to be healthy? Wow, talking about a new interesting scientific discovery.... :rolleyes:

I do not remember you admitting your experiment failed.... did I spot a scoop?!
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Only the vinman use his pets as guinea pigs and risks their health.....but he's wayyyyy more intelligent and ethical than Steve Irwin was....
 
Blutengel said:
And THEN there was the thread about the peach hypo...you know that pretty snake that he has no earthy idea how he created because he has no interest in genetics.....but you better let HIM name the morph because its HIS HIS HIS and otherwise he will pitch a fit....QUOTE]

sorry I know all the genetic morphs that went into the project It is you that was confussed. What is so hard to understand a hyop lavender bloodred that was het for anery A was crossed to a amber het for amel. The only thing that is a problem is that there might be two hypos involved and I said that Rich humes and me came up with name peach. Nobody has the right to tell Rich and me cant call it what we want . There you go ranting agin pulling bits and peaces of a story and comming up with your own story
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Vinman said:
this is why I agree with Cousteau in not touching nature. Like he said he has been doing it for 61 years and dont touch dangous animals. That is why he is still alive . this is what you call a smart man.
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Irwin DIDN'T touch the ray! Hello, eye witnesses of the footage of him being stung have attested on national television that he was not touching it! He was swimming by and the ray stuck its barb up and caught Irwin in the chest. Get the facts at least halfway straight and then come talk to me. Thank you.
 
this is why I agree with Cousteau in not touching nature. Like he said he has been doing it for 61 years and dont touch dangous animals. That is why he is still alive . this is what you call a smart man.
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No, that's what you call a wuss. I have zero respect for 'experts' who just sit around 'observing' and not interacting. Observing is all well and good, but unless you're right there along side the animal you'll never really know them.

As I've said before, it's the same as dealing with my horse. He would never mean to hurt me, but he could kick at a fly and I could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get badly injured or killed. It's an accident. It happens. Sometimes things happen that are no fault of the animal and no fault of the person.

I think you can feel comfortable in the fact that no one really cares what you think Vinman. It's a fact that you yourself have secured. Congrats. :rolleyes:



hana
 
starsevol said:
Only the vinman use his pets as guinea pigs and risks their health.....but he's wayyyyy more intelligent and ethical than Steve Irwin was....
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Sorry they are not pets I dont play with them , Again you are missinformed

zwyatt said:
Irwin DIDN'T touch the ray! Hello, eye witnesses of the footage of him being stung have attested on national television that he was not touching it! He was swimming by and the ray stuck its barb up and caught Irwin in the chest. Get the facts at least halfway straight and then come talk to me. Thank you
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never said he touched it

hana said:
As I've said before, it's the same as dealing with my horse. He would never mean to hurt me, but he could kick at a fly and I could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get badly injured or killed. It's an accident. It happens. Sometimes things happen that are no fault of the animal and no fault of the person.
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there is a big diffance between you domstic horse and a wild animal
 
Let's see....Steve Irwin died in a freak accident because he was where he didn't belong and it was not his area of expertise.........
Soooo according to the vinman "logic" that poor woman who died in the "Big Dig" tunnel in Boston when a concrete slab fell through her windshield and killed her was not an expert driver and took too great a risk by getting behind the wheel........
 
starsevol said:
Let's see....Steve Irwin died in a freak accident because he was where he didn't belong and it was not his area of expertise.........
Soooo according to the vinman "logic" that poor woman who died in the "Big Dig" tunnel in Boston when a concrete slab fell through her windshield and killed her was not an expert driver and took too great a risk by getting behind the wheel........
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your anolgy is of a 5 year old you make no sense Now was she involved in the dig and got hurt and that was not her field that is one thing . how do you compare a animal a living organism that can attack you a inanimate object.
 
Vinman said:
never said he touched it
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Oh all of a sudden the bold Vinman is afraid to make bold declarations. Everything you have said has implied that the reason Steve Irwin died was because he "touched" nature end of story.
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Vinman said:
this is why I agree with Cousteau in not touching nature. Like he said he has been doing it for 61 years and dont touch dangous animals. That is why he is still alive . this is what you call a smart man.
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I rest my case, your Honor.
 
vinman said:
there is a big diffance between you domstic horse and a wild animal
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Show's how well you know horses.. A seemingly calm, easy going horse can expload any second from countless things. It might have seen something it just knew was going to eat it, or it might have gotten stung by something. An animal is an animal regardless of how much human attention they get. You can't change instinct. :rolleyes:


hana
 
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