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JoannaD

Formerly known as jodu
I bred my ultramel poss het caramel male to an amel motley het caramel female this year to finally find out if he was het caramel. I was sadly disappointed to find out that he was not het caramel when I hatched 10 ultramels and 9 amels earlier this summer. I had bred him multiple times in the past with motley females so I knew that he was not het motley.

The female double clutched on her own and there were 3 - 4 eggs that looked like they might be good. I was about to toss them since the 3 remaining eggs looked like were starting to go bad, when I opened the incubator and was shocked to see the two snakes below. I was utterly confused. How could I have a butter mot and a snow mot. Then I remembered that I had tried to breed the female back to her father last year but none of the eggs made it. He is butter het motley and anery. Well I guess this proves my female het anery.

These two boys are gorgeous but unfortunately both are kinked and don't move properly so I do not expect them to make it. If they do and eat then anyone is welcome to them as pets. How sad that I have been trying to make butter mots for so long and this is my first!

I am completely fascinated by the fact that a snake can retain sperm, mate with another male and lay eggs from that male and then on her own fertilize eggs with sperm that is at least a year old. Wow!

In any case I hope these kinked abnormal boys do not predict what will happen when I breed her back to Dad again. I so want a butter mot!!

Excuse the crappy photo - it's from my phone.
 

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They maybe kinked since they're from retained sperm, I've heard that happens sometimes...


I had no idea they could hold sperm through another mating. Really interesting! Such pretty babies too...
 
I am completely fascinated by the fact that a snake can retain sperm, mate with another male and lay eggs from that male and then on her own fertilize eggs with sperm that is at least a year old. Wow!
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Either that or she "fertilized" her own eggs. That has been known to happen as well, especially in reptiles and amphibians. Isn't Nature just chock full of surprises to amaze and astound us puny humans!
 
Either that or she "fertilized" her own eggs. That has been known to happen as well, especially in reptiles and amphibians. Isn't Nature just chock full of surprises to amaze and astound us puny humans!

I just thank god that can't happen to humans! I hope....
 
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Even if you bred your male to a Butter and got all Amels that does not prove your male isnt het for Caramel. Also he still maybe het Motley. I have bred a male corn 5 years in a row and the 5th year I finally proved him het Amel! In all the years I have bred corns never has a female retained sperm from the year before,also have bred females one year and didnt the next and never have any of those females ever layed fertile eggs the next year
 
Stephen, I must say I had a hard time buying this retained sperm thing but the butter males fits the genetics perfectly and the ultramel boy has been bred to motleys x 3 with 50 hatchlings and no motleys. There was also no reason to think he was het anery, although I would have to double check the ACR. He also had the potential to produce snows or ultramel aneries twice and out of 35 babies there never was a snow or an ultramel anery. I just think the statistics are way way way against the ultramel being the father.
 
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