KJUN
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ACORN is voting him in in 2010 with the census. Sure, they'll be one in 2012, but 2010 will determine its outcome already......lol.
America's only chance is an opposing congress as a result of 2010.
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ACORN is voting him in in 2010 with the census. Sure, they'll be one in 2012, but 2010 will determine its outcome already......lol.
America's only chance is an opposing congress as a result of 2010.
COerriccaRN
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lol, Support Nobama 2012!!!
COerriccaRN
New member
Well, I wasn't completely off at least
KJUN
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So did Castro.
Anyway, don't you think the consequences of his actions, if he is wrong as many of us believe, are a little risky for such a large gamble that has never worked anywhere else in history - including when it was tried here on a smaller (and more reasonable) scale?
He may have inspired a few people with his talk of change, but it was many of the ones not smart enough to ask the simple question, "what TYPE of change are we talking about?" He's also inspired more people to think about revolting or a dissolution of these united states than any other president in the last 140 years or so. It isn't about race (I was a supporter or Powell years ago - I was VERY upset when he didn't run) - it's about policies. Inspired the more nonproductive members of society and makes the more productive sections start worrying about the dangers of this .gov...and should it be allowed to continue.
Yeah, that's a good idea! He's a great symbol.
What is scary is that a segment of the population used to talk about revolution, but they aren't talking now. I don't know what they are doing, but I suspect they are thinking it is coming...so it is time to shut up. All the people that didn't like things but never thought of revolution are NOW the ones talking. ...and I think it is getting to be more serious talk. I believe we may actually be taking the first steps towards the general dissolution of the united states into some tuype of "american federation" of separate, free, countries.
I'm not supporting it - I'm fearing it.
KJUN
Well-known member
4. You could see this coming too. Sad but true. The country was tanking in a hurry. Granted this much money (which hasn't all gone out by the way) is a supersize. Again, whoever would have been elected would have done this.
WRONG. Tax-and-spend has always been the failure of democrats alone...at least since FDR or so.
5. Urban legend.
Bull...at leat part of it. Read the report about the groups (like veterans) and what they are called. I have. Do it. Some of that may be UL, but some of it is true.
6. Had to be done and the regulations should have been put into place a LONG time ago. We would be better off it it was.
Bull. If someone wants socialism, there are plenty of other countries already doing it. We were the best because we were the free one.
7. Going to the Middle East is called diplomacy. Bowing, if it's a tradition seems fine
We haven't had a need to bow to anyone for over 200 years.What about touching the queen? Is that OK since we touch people here? Are you saying the smiles while dictators call us bad names is an UL?
8. First Amendment rights will never go away.
:roflmao:
9. Urban legend - we have a right to bear arms. Period. Won't go away unless you look at answer 8 above. In other words this is a scare tactic as usual.
AWB? GCA68? Both democrats. You obviously have NO CLUE on this one, so your response should be completely ignored for #9. I'm horrified that you are either that ignorant on what democrats have done and tried OR that you think we are that dumb to not realize THIS reply (#9) holds truth like a sieve holds water.
10. If this would ever happen, and common sense tells you the states would have a little problem with this, it would be because the states are so damn bad at management of there schools, etc.
kalifornia is the most socialist state. kalifornia is the most like Obama wants to make amerika. kalifornia is the mose broke one out there. Let's let Obama make us all into kalifornia. You are right.
> The answer to budget problems is cut cut cut. And yes, cuts may be needed. But when your schools slide into amazing disrepair, etc. etc.... well, maybe someone needs to take the rains and do something about it.
The problem is that the amerikan school system was not modelled after a system mainly for education. Look it up. Money aside, it needs major reform from the ground up.... I agree with that part.
> 11. Your thinking of the past president.
No, one a scale of 1 to 10, Bush was a 2 or a 3. That's bad. That's evil, but that's 400 points less than Obama!
WRONG. Tax-and-spend has always been the failure of democrats alone...at least since FDR or so.
5. Urban legend.
Bull...at leat part of it. Read the report about the groups (like veterans) and what they are called. I have. Do it. Some of that may be UL, but some of it is true.
6. Had to be done and the regulations should have been put into place a LONG time ago. We would be better off it it was.
Bull. If someone wants socialism, there are plenty of other countries already doing it. We were the best because we were the free one.
7. Going to the Middle East is called diplomacy. Bowing, if it's a tradition seems fine
We haven't had a need to bow to anyone for over 200 years.What about touching the queen? Is that OK since we touch people here? Are you saying the smiles while dictators call us bad names is an UL?
8. First Amendment rights will never go away.
:roflmao:
9. Urban legend - we have a right to bear arms. Period. Won't go away unless you look at answer 8 above. In other words this is a scare tactic as usual.
AWB? GCA68? Both democrats. You obviously have NO CLUE on this one, so your response should be completely ignored for #9. I'm horrified that you are either that ignorant on what democrats have done and tried OR that you think we are that dumb to not realize THIS reply (#9) holds truth like a sieve holds water.
10. If this would ever happen, and common sense tells you the states would have a little problem with this, it would be because the states are so damn bad at management of there schools, etc.
kalifornia is the most socialist state. kalifornia is the most like Obama wants to make amerika. kalifornia is the mose broke one out there. Let's let Obama make us all into kalifornia. You are right.
> The answer to budget problems is cut cut cut. And yes, cuts may be needed. But when your schools slide into amazing disrepair, etc. etc.... well, maybe someone needs to take the rains and do something about it.
The problem is that the amerikan school system was not modelled after a system mainly for education. Look it up. Money aside, it needs major reform from the ground up.... I agree with that part.
> 11. Your thinking of the past president.
No, one a scale of 1 to 10, Bush was a 2 or a 3. That's bad. That's evil, but that's 400 points less than Obama!
tsst
Deuce is watching!
How about a presidential candidate quote for reference?
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KJUN
Well-known member
Afghanistan? Oh, wait. Was that Bush? I don't think so....
Spending more than our GNP in bail-outs? No, wait. That wasn't Bush, either.
Acts like he THINKS he's god? No, definitely not Bush!
Who did you mean?
Sure - just not WELL for the peopel that PAY into it.
COerriccaRN
New member
I agree with KJUN....I'm scared to of what all Obama is doing...
The_Thunderer
New member
The problem with this is that the voters who RUINED that state are leaving it in droves... and going to "red states" where their influence is already being felt. Places like Texas, New Mexico and Arizona - RED states are having their population centers go blue. What's horribly sad is that those who vote blue aren't being held responsible for their actions, and are actually beginning to mess up states that were typically red.
Support found in these links...
http://www.nationalbubble.com/people-are-leaving-california-by-the-thousands/
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/business/Cost-of-Living-Sucks-Everyone-Leaving-California.html
Well, he'll always have his die-hard (blind) followers.... but take a look at these FALLING numbers... (HOORAY!)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html
Now, you'll note that not ALL the numbers in these articles support "my" POV and side of things. However, to say that "he's inspired a lot of people with his message of change" is correct BOTH ways. He's inspired folks, like you, to support him AND he's inspired others to OPPOSE him. I don't include myself in the negatively inspired group because I opposed him BEFORE he got the media to elect him.
Ricky87
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I've just always been inspired by his power as a public speaker. He uses very powerful words and phrases and is direct in his approach. He speaks both to and from the heart. It's that "get up and get it" desire for change that's glued me to my art table for the last 8 months, and it does a lot for other people I'm sure as well. Politics and philosophy are one in the same, as is law and ethics, and once one is changed so is the other. I think ultimately that will shine through in his agenda, and he can't really be blamed for the economic crisis. Bush has very much been the benefactor of "out of sight, out of mind", and he was messing up for 8 years.
mike17l
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That's the scary thing, the Germans thought the same thing in the 30s.
COerriccaRN
New member
Sounds like your describing Hitler...He was also a great "public speaker"
Ricky87
New member
A comparison to Adolf Hitler is not only deplorable, but unacceptable. The persecution, and murder of 6 million Jewish people is something to never make light of, though I doubt you'll ever truly understand the scope of that comparison. http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/tp/holocaust.htm.
mike17l
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Who said anything about the Holocaust?
COerriccaRN
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Actually, I am very familiar with the Holocaust (which I said nothing about.)
I had to write a 15 page paper over it my senior year in HS and also have been to the Holocaust museum in houston 5 times...So I am VERY familiar with Hitler and the Holocaust.
I didn't say the holocaust was gonna happen again, I just said the germans thought the same thing about hitler...just as mike171 said.
dburton30
Reboot? What's that?
I have to admit, over the years I have watched the political scene with amazement. I was a Republican (till 2001) but found I couldn't stomach the things they said or did anymore.
I have asked this many many times to many people and found that this is a perception with MANY people and seems certainly true (and from the looks of things, most of you will disagree).
Republicans - Say the word and everyone follows and/or believes without a doubt. They do not do the research and parrot to a degree what is told to them. A great thing if you want solidarity and to push your agenda. Say they belive in the people but appears in every way to like business better to the detriment of all. Say they cut taxes but really don't and spend like crazy. Seem very angry (frustrated?) all the time.
Democrats - Say the word and they fall all over themselves trying to figure out what to do because they all have different ideas or agendas. Not a great thing for getting stuff done but at least they don't walk in lock-step. They think on there own. They tax and the spend. At least they are honest in that respect. They don't argue or fight back as much to there detriment.
Am I happy with this administration? Not that much but certainly it's better than the last. I also know that they have been in power for a very short period of time and expect them to get better at it. Hope? Sure, we NEED it to be better than the last administration and better than it is now.
I have asked this many many times to many people and found that this is a perception with MANY people and seems certainly true (and from the looks of things, most of you will disagree).
Republicans - Say the word and everyone follows and/or believes without a doubt. They do not do the research and parrot to a degree what is told to them. A great thing if you want solidarity and to push your agenda. Say they belive in the people but appears in every way to like business better to the detriment of all. Say they cut taxes but really don't and spend like crazy. Seem very angry (frustrated?) all the time.
Democrats - Say the word and they fall all over themselves trying to figure out what to do because they all have different ideas or agendas. Not a great thing for getting stuff done but at least they don't walk in lock-step. They think on there own. They tax and the spend. At least they are honest in that respect. They don't argue or fight back as much to there detriment.
Am I happy with this administration? Not that much but certainly it's better than the last. I also know that they have been in power for a very short period of time and expect them to get better at it. Hope? Sure, we NEED it to be better than the last administration and better than it is now.
KJUN
Well-known member
Hitler, Castro, and other dictators all were described the same way. I don't know as much about Marx and Stalin, but I bet they gacve great speeches, too. Hitler, for example, spent the first 6 years or so just making "the trains run right." Obama messed up in that he started the bad things TOO soon. he didn't wait until he was entrenched deep enough....lol.
Fair Housing Act directly caused some of the banking problems. That wasn't Bush, and the Democrat congress ignored his administrations warnings.
The_Thunderer
New member
Well, he uses powerful words that someone ELSE wrote for him (tele-prompter anyone?). Now I know that just about every other president since the beginning of the country had a "speech-writer", but all the eloquence Obama supposedly has is simply over-rated. He speaks, I flinch and wonder what other freedom he'll take today.
As for this politics and philosophy... remember that Obama said that he is very left, but will "lead from the center". So much for that, huh? I've always gone by the old adages, "A tiger... is a tiger... is a tiger" or " If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck - its a DUCK!" (even if it PROMISES to lead from the middle). Such was my reason for opposing him in the first place.
Ya'll continue to "blame Bush". Sooooo, when the stimulus bill passed and Obama promised doing so would keep unemployment rates down (went from 6% to almost 10% last I checked)... that must've been Bush's fault too.
SUBSTANCE, not words is what's important. "The road to hell is lined with good intentions."
Now, don't get me wrong. I've stated before and will do so again. BUSH did really tick me off as well. And I am daily reminded of his failures each time I see and hear the name OBAMA. Perhaps, better yet, HOPEFULLY after the 2012 election, you'll be in the same place and feel just as crappy as I do now.
As for the comparisons to Hitler.... BUT it is completely acceptable for those on the LEFT to say the same things about BUSH and compare GW to Hitler. LOL. How hypocritical.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Hitler's wonderful ability as a public speaker brainwashed alot of people.
Apparently Obama's wonderful ability as a public speaker does the same thing.
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
I don't think you'll see the end of the United States of America. You'll see the end of the current government and a reinstatement of the government the way our founding fathers wanted. The states will have most of the power again and the federal government will be unable to do anything without the support of the states. Yes, we will likely lose a couple of states...California and Massachusetts come to mind right off the top... but there has to be some sacrifices in any civil war.