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Thiamine question continuedddd

TripleMoonsExotic said:
I looked up that word on dictionary.com and I'm not sure what you're asking... :eek:
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Along the lines of an scientifically unproven medicine that works, although the fact that it's a liniment/salve in and of itself keeps bacteria out.

Why would freezing them negate any nutritional value?
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Freezing (as well as cooking) can destroy or break down certain nutrients, vitamins etc.. in food.
[I imagine the formation of ice crystals aids in this?]
 
I believe the OP is mistaking the loss of nutrients by freezing with the loss of nutrients by cooking...

I was not able to find anything on the net to support his claims (loss of nutrients by freezing)... It would be great to hear from him where he got that info from.

This is what I was able to find to support my claim:

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=376&t=CFIDS_FM

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cach...ezing+meet+vitamin+B&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

http://www.healthcentral.com/diet-exercise/fitness-survival-guides-81077-137.html
 
For example, during the freezing of peas there is about a 10 per cent loss of vitamin C.
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http://www.healthyeatingclub.org/info/books-phds/books/foodfacts/html/maintext/main10a.html

Freezing has very little effect on the nutrient content of foods. Some fruits and vegetables are blanched (immersed in boiling water for a short period) before freezing to inactivate enzymes and yeasts that would continue to cause food spoilage, even in the freezer. This process can cause some of the vitamin C (15 to 20%) to be lost.
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http://www.eufic.org/article/en/artid/freezing-foods-quality-safety/?lowres=1

I found this, but that was about it after about five minutes....also meat and poultry hold almost all of their nutritional value so jpcussa's argument (look for the rep points coming!)looks to be in line!!! nice job, I also saw one about the "freezing/nutrient loss myth" as well. It doesn't look like F/T mice lose any nut. values at all, just don't barbecue them for the snakes. lol
 
What?!?! Smells funny?!?! (Oil Cloves, Camphor, Ammonia, Oil Cajeput, Oil Sassafras, Myrrh in a base of petrolatum, lanolin and beeswax ). LOL
 
ForkedTung said:
I had a "rescue" BP with a very bad nose rub into the flesh/bone from a screen cage it was kept in.
I used a light wash with Chlorehexadine ( Novalsan), although you could probably use an antibacterial soap to wash and dry as well. Then a light application of Neosporin twice daily. I couldn't believe how she healed, just about perfect, pigment came back as well ( with each shed), you can now barely see the scarring.
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I thought I had read that neosporin can be toxic to reptiles. I doubt a snake will be licking his wounds though.
 
zlehmann said:
Why would freezing them negate any nutritional value?
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many vitamins break down with the freezing process, just as in when you cook some things they lose nutritional value.
I'm not sure how much vitamins break down in meat. But in some vegetables you can lose almost all your B vitamins from freezing (including thiamin and folic acid, both b vitamins). That is why you have to dust iguana food if you freeze it. I have heard of some people dusting their mice as well. I bought a coffee bean grinder and ground up people multivitamins as well as plain calcium and put them in a shaker that I sprinkle over my ig's meal. I'm sure it would be that easy with a mouse as well.
 
nrfitchett4 said:
I thought I had read that neosporin can be toxic to reptiles. I doubt a snake will be licking his wounds though.
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I mentioned this to my vet and she didn't have a problem with it. One note of caution is to NOT use any antibiotics that have painkillers in them.
 
jpccusa said:
I believe the OP is mistaking the loss of nutrients by freezing with the loss of nutrients by cooking...

I was not able to find anything on the net to support his claims (loss of nutrients by freezing)... It would be great to hear from him where he got that info from.

This is what I was able to find to support my claim:

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=376&t=CFIDS_FM

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cach...ezing+meet+vitamin+B&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

http://www.healthcentral.com/diet-exercise/fitness-survival-guides-81077-137.html
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3833/is_/ai_n9175726
here's a study. the problem is with the water soluble vitamins. freezing or boiling them will break them down.
 
OK so help me catch up. What I am seeing here is that the cause of all the malnourished people in the developed countries that have electricity and freezers and stoves in due to nutritional content loss. The people in third world countries that eat road kill right off the pavement are much better fed.

Or maybe there is in fact some nutritional loss but it is so small and insignificant that it doesn’t really matter. One case study (done by me) showed that the majority of the snakes in captivity are being feed frozen thawed, but uncooked, mice and are all outliving their brothers in the wild who eat only fresh mice.

Another study showed that snakes that were put on a strict diet of fresh uncooked carrots were very straight.
 
nrfitchett4 said:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3833/is_/ai_n9175726
here's a study. the problem is with the water soluble vitamins. freezing or boiling them will break them down.
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After reading through the article, the only part where freezing is mentioned is in the first page. "For example, heating food for more than 2 hours causes more than a 10% loss of most water-soluble vitamins. Refrigeration, freezing, and reheating have all been shown to lead to further loss of vitamins."

The table of Maximum Nutrient Losses (http://cleaneatingdiet.blogspot.com/...eezing_31.html) is a little more specific, but still, those numbers are too "round" and there is not a citation for that information. I would not take it TOO seriously.

Anyway, with a loss of less than 5%, I would not bother supplementing the food or, even worse, opting to feed live. It is much more probable a snake to die due to a mouse bite than dying of vitamin deficiency... This is just MHO
 
Another study showed that snakes that were put on a strict diet of fresh uncooked carrots were very straight.
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I would have to agree, especialy when compared to your crooked sense of humor LOL!
 
All I can say is that I have a very solidly-built Corn who will be 21 years old this summer, and has eaten frozen all his life. No signs of malnourishment round these parts.

I think the slight loss of nutritional value caused by freezing/defrosting, is far outweighed by the proven risk of injury from live rodents. Freshly-killed might be a way round it if sleepless nights are an issue - kill it yourself immediately before offering it. Not many people can stomach it though. I know I can't.
 
So I've learned from a few nutritional class I've taken that you really only have to worry about nutrient loss from repeated thawings and refreezings.
 
you really only have to worry about nutrient loss from repeated thawings and refreezings.
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And in that situation, you'd contract food poisoning long before you starved! Refreezing anything that's been thawed is never a good idea.
 
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