Twins?

[cornsnake00]

Just hatched.

 

[Jessicat]

Is it possible for them to be identical?? Or are corn snake twins mostly fraternal.. I'm pretty sure that's what I've mostly seen within my picture post collected knowledge

Congratulations :cheers:

 

[colinmcc]

Cool. :cheers:

Lets just hope it is twins and not a double ended snake!

 

[Jessica71]

Wow, amazing picture! Is the egg bigger than the rest of the clutch?

 

[TandJ]

A double ended snake would be kind of neat, it sure doesn't look like it is the same as Rich's double pipping head he had this year. Are twins related to genetic's? Would twins likely to give birth to more twins? Please forgive me if it seems as if I jacked the thread, but I have some hatchlings, one that is a twin and a sibbling that is not a twin, but there were three sets of twiqns in the hatchling group ( I believe it was three sets of twins in this group ).

Regards..

 

[cornsnake00]

Twins

They sure look like twins.

 

[Jessica71]

Wow, aren't they absolutely beautiful? Are they motleys? Congratulations!

 

[cornsnake00]

Yes they are motleys

 

[Serpwidgets]

Interesting. Are they tiny little things?

Check out the pattern difference at "dot #10" (or if you count the back of the head pattern, dot #11) on both snakes. Presumably they're identical twins, which would mean that little anomoly at dot 10 is not under direct genetic control.

 

[rayray]

wow, thats pretty cool and there so cute lol congrats

 

[rhinecat]

How awesome! And they are absolutely *gorgeous* snakes, as well. I've never seen twin snakes, especially not a picture of them hatching from the egg. Neat!

 

[Emanon]

Not to be the bearer of bad news but...

Looks like the twig and berries are in effect up top... :sidestep:

 

[Sisuitl]

Aww! They are gorgeous! And I have to agree, a double ended snake would rock!

 

[E. g. guttata]

Is it possible for them to be identical?? Or are corn snake twins mostly fraternal.. I'm pretty sure that's what I've mostly seen within my picture post collected knowledge

Congratulations :cheers:

I am a bit late to this thread, but I would have to say that those two are identical twins. I don't see the anomoly that serp sees, or maybe it's a trick of light messing with his mind (wouldn't be the first thing to do that eh? ).

However, to answer this question (all the info I'm about to give you I learned from Don this season with my funky clutch), it is always possible that two snakes of the same genetic mutation are in fact twins, BUT it is more common for them to be fraternal twins. (I will warn again that all information I'm about to give you was given to me by Don, so I'm just regurgitating) Durring the shelling of the eggs, embryos are already formed. This means that there are little living baby snakes inside mommy BEFORE the shell is put around them. As such, the shelling process is very similar to the process used to make ravioli. Make the "filling" (embryo), lay down a sheet of dough (egg shell), place another on top (more shell) and twist together. Typically, there is only one embryo per individual egg, though sometimes, two are crammed in one shell, leading to fraternal twins. This is exponentially more likely than the act of one zygote spontaneously splits into two.

The fact that you have identical twins is very cool news, simply because it is so unlikely to happen. I would personally keep them if they were my hatchlings. LOL

 

[Charlie]

I had a set of twins hatch this year too. Mine were faternal twins though. I attached a picture

 

[Serpwidgets]

I am a bit late to this thread, but I would have to say that those two are identical twins. I don't see the anomoly that serp sees, or maybe it's a trick of light messing with his mind (wouldn't be the first thing to do that eh? ).

LOL Ok, attached is a pic... I took the original, blew it up and pointed out two of the more obvious differences.

The point I was trying to make is that even if they are 100% genetically identical, the pattern is a function of genetics AND some events that happen randomly, as you can see from this example. (They've found that if you clone a piebald they still will not have the same "white" areas, too...)

I thought it was pretty neat, anyway. But then I like to geek out on that stuff. :santa:

 

[E. g. guttata]

LOL Ok, attached is a pic... I took the original, blew it up and pointed out two of the more obvious differences.

The point I was trying to make is that even if they are 100% genetically identical, the pattern is a function of genetics AND some events that happen randomly, as you can see from this example. (They've found that if you clone a piebald they still will not have the same "white" areas, too...)

I thought it was pretty neat, anyway. But then I like to geek out on that stuff. :santa:

THAT makes it a bit easier to see. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm looking at head patterns that look identical to me, so I'm thinkin that they may be identical twins still. Maybe I'm really really really really really off on this one. It wouldn't be the first time, LOL!

 

[coyote]

LOL Ok, attached is a pic... I took the original, blew it up and pointed out two of the more obvious differences.

The point I was trying to make is that even if they are 100% genetically identical, the pattern is a function of genetics AND some events that happen randomly, as you can see from this example. (They've found that if you clone a piebald they still will not have the same "white" areas, too...)

I thought it was pretty neat, anyway. But then I like to geek out on that stuff. :santa:

I find this stuff fascinating too.