Ultra or Ultramel

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Can someone please tell me the difference between a "Ultra" and a "ultramal"?
Jay
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[zwyatt]

This is my understanding and someone can (and I'm sure will) correct anything that is incorrect.
I believe ultra is considered to be some sort of hypomelanism and is an allele to amelanism. Ultra and amel act as codominants just like the stripe and motley alleles do. So if an ultra is bred to an amel the result would be all ultramels just as if a stripe was bred to a motley all the offspring would be striped-motley. In other words both the traits are expressed. So basically ultra is a single trait and ultramel is a combination of ultra + amelanism.

Hopefully that makes sense. Not sure if it explains it in the way you wanted. :shrugs:

 

[pgr8dnlvr]

Same as the last guy, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but another way to explain it is that Ultra is a new type of hypomelanism <reduction in black pigment> it can be so bright it can tend to look like an amel, but it has darker eyes.

As the last person explained I believe ultramel is when you mix amelanistic and hypo traits.

Rebecca

 

[Serpwidgets]

The Ultra gene is an allele at the albino locus. This means there are 3 known genes at this locus:
Wild type (A⁺)
Ultra (a^u)
Amel (a^a)

Given the above 3 alleles and the fact that any individual inherits one copy of this locus from mom and another copy from dad, there are 6 possible genotypes at this locus:
A⁺·A⁺ (Wild type)
A⁺·a^a (Wild type het amel)
A⁺·a^u (Wild type het ultra)
a^u·a^u (Ultra)
a^a·a^u (Ultramel)
a^a·a^a (Amel)

 

[cornmorphs]

isnt it weird, somethings can be explained slightly differently and they seem to make much more sense lol.
i dont think i have ever seen either an ultra or ultramel yet in the flesh, theres not too many in the uk.
(someone hurry up and import some and sell me the babies lol)

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Hhhhmmmmmmm??

I have used a genetics predictor to find out my possibilities. It said I could have Ultas and Ultramels. How would I tell the difference? Is an Ultra look like a really clean normal and an Ultramel an Amel. version? Here is a pic of a baby Ultramel from South Mountain Reptiles - Don Soderberg. I couldnt find a pic of an Ultra.
Thanks,
Jay
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[gardenmum]

How would I tell the difference? Is an Ultra look like a really clean normal and an Ultramel an Amel. version?

The problem with an Ultra is that it is another form of hypo and is not highly different than a hypo A, the differences are more subtle than Sunkissed hypo's difference with a Hypo A. The Ultra has regular dark eyes.

The Ultramel is a brighter, almost amelish looking hypo, it is not amel looking in that it is not just red and white, it has the hypo washed out saddle border but it has red pupils. Some, as in the picture of Don's snake you put on, have a very amel red looking colored saddles with the hypo's grayish colored borders. I have one out of a ultramel to a butter breeding that shows its butter heritage. The ultramel has the iris like a hypo, a lot of times it being the color of tomato soup, but the pupil is red like an amel.

This is my ultramel.

 

[Serpwidgets]

I have used a genetics predictor to find out my possibilities. It said I could have Ultas and Ultramels. How would I tell the difference? Is an Ultra look like a really clean normal and an Ultramel an Amel. version? Here is a pic of a baby Ultramel from South Mountain Reptiles - Don Soderberg. I couldnt find a pic of an Ultra.

If you're hatching ultras and ultramels in the same clutch, you won't necessarily be able to tell the difference. It might require raising them up and doing breeding trials to find out their genotype. (When doing breeding trials, any "ultra" that throws amel offspring is carrying the amel gene, thus it's genetically ultramel.)

Also, if one of the parents is an amel or a normal het amel, any "ultras" in the clutch are ultramels.

What also complicates things is that Ultramels seem to accumulate pigment as they grow up, so that they get darker and look more like what you'd expect out of an ultra instead of what you'd expect an adult ultramel to look like.

 

[mvervest]

I have used a genetics predictor to find out my possibilities. It said I could have Ultas and Ultramels. How would I tell the difference? Is an Ultra look like a really clean normal and an Ultramel an Amel. version? Here is a pic of a baby Ultramel from South Mountain Reptiles - Don Soderberg. I couldnt find a pic of an Ultra.
Thanks,
Jay
~*PJCReptiles*~

Scroll down on the foorum issues till you see almost at the end the forum of SNAKES ALIVE . There you on Joe Pierces forum aprt you can see Ultra vs Ultramel .

 

[mvervest]

isnt it weird, somethings can be explained slightly differently and they seem to make much more sense lol.
i dont think i have ever seen either an ultra or ultramel yet in the flesh, theres not too many in the uk.
(someone hurry up and import some and sell me the babies lol)

There are some in Europe yet !! I know guys have them in Holland and I have them in Belgium .
If you visit the show in Holland or Germany you probably find them , if you look well , are early before they catch them before you . I hoop to get them breeding in 2007 .

 

[princess]

Yeah, there are a few milling around here (Europe). I hope to produce Ultramels this year and Ultras in 2008.

 

[mvervest]

Yeah, there are a few milling around here (Europe). I hope to produce Ultramels this year and Ultras in 2008.

PM me if you have . Maybe we can meet at Hamm (September )

 

[Matias]

I will get some ultramel anerys next summer and if I'm lucky some golddusts as well. And I have still one ultramel male for sale. So there are some pretty interesting morphs in Europe, too.

 

[princess]

Hi Matias! Good to see you here! I'm Adèle who bought that little stunner from you at Kristianstad last August! -he's a total pig and is up to 100g already!

mvervest- I hope to get my little Ultramel mating by the end of march and if he does then I can hope for some Ultramel and Ultramel motley hatchlings by Hamm -the female is poss het anery so I might have Ultramel anery and Ultramel anery motlies too (If I'm extraordinarily lucky!)

 

[mvervest]

I that case I wish you all that luck , even Ultra anery is quite exceptional on this side of the ocean :crazy02:

 

[stephen]

breeding

One thing I have learned over the years is dont count my eggs before they hatch